NEED SOME INFO ON VITO BRATTA OF WHITE LION

[jgcable]

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shame the music industry forced a lot of talented hands into obscurity..

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Here, Here!!!!!!!!!

...If only we could go back in time and take care of Curt Cobain before they released that damn Teen Spirit video. The video that spelled the doom for skilled guitarists the world over.

Mike

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If I recall (my timeline might be wrong) but Kip Winger and Reb Beach had alot to do with White Lions downfall.

[kmanick]

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I just watched a couple of those videos, man he was pretty f'n good! [img]/images/graemlins/headbang.gif[/img]

[LesPaulCustom]

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<font color="yellow">Thanks for the responses [img]/images/graemlins/headbang.gif[/img]

Vito was so seriously underrated as a player...perhaps because of the glam and image of the band and specifically Mike Tramp.

Well, I have the ADA MP-1 in the rack, and surprisingly, it sounds awesome as is. Very Marshall like and pretty adjustable and totally controllable with the MIDI.

I can't wait to have it modded to the 3TM version, which should increase the useable gain and decrease the overall noise of the preamp.

I have a Steinberger GM4T coming in (hopefully before the weekend) and I can't wait to see how that sounds through it. I don't know how I'll react to the EMG's, so it may be getting Duncan Custom-fied soon and some Hot-Rails [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

I guess I'm kinda building the tone and sound I hear in my head from Vito's sound and modifying it a bit to go from there.

I did find that a BBE Maximiser greatly enhances the MP-1.

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[horns666]

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Like I was saying on another thread on Vinnie Moore...at least shred is "cool" again...so there is a lot of old names and faces coming to surface...along with a whole batch of new found talent..its about fucking' time...

I don't think that Winger had anything to do with the demise of WL....I think they were in the same boat..

as far as the BBE is concerned ...I found that the most musical for guitar racks are the very ones that Vitto used back in the day...the 422 or 422a...

the newer ones were made for "audio" enhancement and just have wayyyyyyy too much "sizzle" for guitar rigs IMO.

they should either re-issue those..or make newer ones ...more warm , natural and pleasant sounding.

[MBreinin]

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Vinnie's tone was very musical. And either as a result of his touch, or his setup, did not sound like it was super saturated. It was really a singing type of tone. Of course, it was pretty dirty on "Radar Love", but they were going for a different feel there.

The reason that Hair Metal died is simple. There were simply too many crappy bands that jumped on the bandwagon. The market was so flooded with garbage that the real talent often went without notice, or was lumped together with the others. There is a serious difference between bands like White Lion, Dokken, Motley Crue, etc. and bands like Firehouse and Trixter. When that crap came out toward the end...I knew the whole genre was going to crumble.

Mike

[neilli]

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Ultimately, for grunge to kill 'hair' metal, the 'fans' had to turn their backs on what they previously liked: If no-one had done that, then grunge wouldn't have had the impact it did.....

[pro-fusion]

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Yeah, the whole scene was pretty played-out by '90-91, and it's not surprising there was a backlash by younger fans. Unfortunately, a whole lot of great musicians were blacklisted by the industry when grunge came in, since the A&amp;R guys appear to live by a herd mentality of simply imitating what's currently in the charts. That also had a lot to do with killing off metal in the early '90s, since the A&amp;R people wanted nothing but clones of already-popular bands.

I was in L.A. in 1990-91 and had my musical career aspirations killed off like so many other people. But the fact was that the scene was dead by the time I arrived. Bands were 'paying to play' to audiences that consisted of nothing but bored members of other bands, their friends, and various 'promoter' types. There was no real audience in the true sense. It really seemed like everyone was just going through the motions by then, assuming that the record deal would be just around the corner and that nothing would ever change. It must have been different a few years earlier.

[jgcable]

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Yeah, the whole scene was pretty played-out by '90-91, and it's not surprising there was a backlash by younger fans. Unfortunately, a whole lot of great musicians were blacklisted by the industry when grunge came in, since the A&R guys appear to live by a herd mentality of simply imitating what's currently in the charts. That also had a lot to do with killing off metal in the early '90s, since the A&R people wanted nothing but clones of already-popular bands.

I was in L.A. in 1990-91 and had my musical career aspirations killed off like so many other people. But the fact was that the scene was dead by the time I arrived. Bands were 'paying to play' to audiences that consisted of nothing but bored members of other bands, their friends, and various 'promoter' types. There was no real audience in the true sense. It really seemed like everyone was just going through the motions by then, assuming that the record deal would be just around the corner and that nothing would ever change. It must have been different a few years earlier.

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I played to play many times at the end of my "career". I 100% agree regarding the audience consisting mainly of other bands members. We used to call the critics. They would be the longhairs standing in the corner of the club with their arms folded waiting for any of us to make a 1 note mistake on a 12 minute 10,000 note dual guitar solo while we were spinning our guitars around and throwing them to each other.

[Newc]

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Hindsight being 20/20, perhaps the genre should have policed itself, and tried to keep it a little more "pure" without letting in every single Tom/Dick/Harry like Trixter, Warrant, etc etc etc? Overload had a lot to do with it, and when you've got 10 bands that are cheap imitations of the good ones, and then 30 more that are cheap imitations of the cheap imitations, and so on down the line, you end up with fans (non-musician types who actually spend money on tickets and discs) that are burnt out on whatever the bands are doing.

[pro-fusion]

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I played to play many times at the end of my "career". I 100% agree regarding the audience consisting mainly of other bands members. We used to call the critics. They would be the longhairs standing in the corner of the club with their arms folded waiting for any of us to make a 1 note mistake on a 12 minute 10,000 note dual guitar solo while we were spinning our guitars around and throwing them to each other.

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You can still see that same phenomenon at any Dream Theater show! [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

It just seemed to me that there was no life left in the L.A. scene by 1990. It wasn't just some evil plot by the mega-labels to squelch the good musicians. You see footage of what the Strip was like in the '80s, with all of the crazy sh!t going on, the capacity crowds, and the energy, and I didn't see any of that by '90. I had way more crazy fun playing blues music in small bars in Eugene, Oregon in the late '80s than I was seeing on the vaunted Sunset Strip a couple of years later. All of the Strip bands that were gonna make it had already made it and were on their second or third stint in rehab by then... [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[pro-fusion]

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Hindsight being 20/20, perhaps the genre should have policed itself, and tried to keep it a little more "pure" without letting in every single Tom/Dick/Harry like Trixter, Warrant, etc etc etc? Overload had a lot to do with it, and when you've got 10 bands that are cheap imitations of the good ones, and then 30 more that are cheap imitations of the cheap imitations, and so on down the line, you end up with fans (non-musician types who actually spend money on tickets and discs) that are burnt out on whatever the bands are doing.

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I don't think that's the sort of thing that can be "policed."

In many ways, it comes down to a question of motive. By the time I got to L.A., all of the metal bands I saw seemed to be purely interested in the money--thinking they could just "follow the formula" and be the next big thing. They all looked and sounded exactly the same to me--they were either imitating the old Dokken/Ratt formula, or they went for the sleaze/glam thing from the Hanoi Rocks school.

Actually, the funniest thing I saw during my yearlong L.A. stay was the sudden influx of "southern rockers" trying to cash in on the Black Crowes' popularity. "Southern" in the sense they were from South Burbank or South Pasadena!! [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] Geezus, how pathetic.

However, I met some truly gifted, wonderful musicians while I was there--I had thought I was hot sh!t when I moved there, and these folks humbled me greatly. But they were all struggling and getting little interest from the biz. I ultimately came to the conclusion that L.A. is the worst place to go if you have any independent artistic inclinations--you go there after you've gotten some interest from the biz, not before.

What the hell any of this has to do with Vito Bratta, I'm not sure. He was a smooth guitarist, that's for sure. I absolutely hated White Lion, but solely because of that annoying vocalist. Vito rocked.

[Newc]

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NEED SOME INFO ON VITO BRATTA OF WHITE LION

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What you really need is some f'kin CAPS LOCK info!! [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/poke.gif[/img]

[MBreinin]

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Wasn't the ADA advertised in the mags as "The Overdrive that Drives Them Wild!!" I remember that ad, and it had the dude from Tesla wailing on his double neck.

Anyone else remember that, or did I smoke too much weed??

Mike

[Newc]

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I remember it. Was always on the back cover of GFTPM [img]/images/graemlins/headbang.gif[/img]

They also did one with Alex Skolnick in a glass case with all his rack stuff and some futuristic family in spandex reading about how Guvmint intervention (PMRC) killed music as an art form.
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[MBreinin]

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I remember it. Was always on the back cover of GFTPM [img]/images/graemlins/headbang.gif[/img]

They also did one with Alex Skolnick in a glass case with all his rack stuff and some futuristic family in spandex reading about how Guvmint intervention (PMRC) killed music as an art form.
Or something like that [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

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