Bring on the Flaming, why doesnt anyone like CC?

[MBreinin]

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Let's put it this way, if I play the opening chords to Talk Dirty to Me, my fiance will blow me. When I am wanking around and trying to sound like I have some technical ability, she asks me politely if I can turn it down. It is all about that basic animal response to a sound.

For me, nothing sounds more inspiring, mean and heavy than a well distorted open A chord ringing out.

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GNR breathed new life into a realm of overprocessed cookie cutter music, that metal was rapidly degenerating into. It was like a breath of fresh air. When I first saw the video to "Welcome to the Jungle", my response was..."who are these dirtbags?" I bought the CD the next day.

Of course, metal was just a small sliver of what I listened to and liked in those days. I was a total Pink Floyd and Dire Straits nut as well.

Mike

[Endrik]

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Somohow I love the processed sound and hate the dry sound, maybe that's why I can't listen to very old music all the time.

[MBreinin]

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My choice for excellent shredders stuck in cheesy bands will probably piss everyone here off, but here goes: George Lynch. Honestly, what was so good about Dokken? Crap lyrics, horrible vocals, cheesy songs. Then George takes a solo and mops the floor with everyone.

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Nope, I am going to respectfully disagree. The songs are fucking GREAT. The lyrics may be a little less than spectacular, and Don isn't David Coverdale...but the songs hold up. It is not the solos that save them, it is the riffs, the chords, the grooves that save them. The groove to "Its Not Love", the opening chords to "Breaking the Chains", "Heaven Sent", "In My Dreams". Those songs would have been nothing but for the solid foundation they had. The solos just iced the cake. When I learn Dokken tunes, I generally JUST want to learn the main parts, because I love the groove. Lynch was a riff master on equal footing to his ability to solo.

Mike

[siggy14]

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Chuck,

I will tend to piss everyone off at leat once on this board, maybe twice, sometimes three times, hell some people might even end up hating me completly! I am a very out spoken person and speak my mind! i have been through alot of shit in my life, and i am not saying none of you have either, just saying i have done the whole drug thing in the 80's to cover the pain of my fucked up youth which made me love metal, and then came the 90's and i got sober and pissed about what happened to me and enjoyed grunge!

I have always managed to be one step ahead of the music scene and then when something i like gets popular i usually loose interest, not because i dont want to be a poser, but because i have allready heard it a million times and then the radio grabs hold of it and plays it a million times more.

Latley i have been revisiting my roots, listening to alot of 80's metal as well as in the mid 90's i did a brief stint of chick driven rock/punk. Groups like babes in toyland, L7, Human waste project, Jack off jill, artificial joy club etc.... But when it comes down to it i never considered myself part of any music scene, i love music and all music, i can usually find a group in any style that i can relate to and love to listen too!

Back to CC, When poisen first came out he was a OK player that knew how to write catchy riffs. I think as he has gotten older he has really come into his own and can now keep up with the best of them, not to mention he is one smart mother! Yeah he might be a hyper little fucker, but did you guys see him celberty jeapardy?

I guess 80's glam metal will always hold a place in my heart, i was just coming into the music scene and that was my teen years, i was born in 70 so between 80 and 90 was my ten to twenty age range. But glam metal and the massive guitar players was what made me pick up guitar and learn to play, the down side is i was still to young to make it, and when i was finally offered a contract (between 20 and 21) my music taste had changed that i no longer wanted to do that style of metal.

As everyone has said, to each there own, my only grip is if you dont like something that does not give you the right to put it down and say it sucks, because hell they had the dedication to get the contract and get on top of the charts!

[MBreinin]

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Somohow I love the processed sound and hate the dry sound, maybe that's why I can't listen to very old music all the time.

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+1

I can't play straight jacked into an amp. I love some reverb and delay. Of course, some would say that is a crutch...and maybe it is. But it sounds good to my ears.

Mike

[atomic charvel guy]

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i went to poison shows to get smoked by the the huge amounts of beautiful hussies that were in attendance. it was so easy back then. these days you gotta put a lot more effort in it seems.

[jgcable]

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See, jgcable, I don't think CC's chops are all that great. He's got that gonzo attitude, but I agree with what was said about him on a VH1 special: CC Deville is the best worst guitar player.

My choice for excellent shredders stuck in cheesy bands will probably piss everyone here off, but here goes: George Lynch. Honestly, what was so good about Dokken? Crap lyrics, horrible vocals, cheesy songs. Then George takes a solo and mops the floor with everyone.

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Thats a first for me. I can honestly say that 95% of every guitar player I know or teach absolutely LOVES Dokken. Why??? Killer songs, killer riffs, killer vocals, killer band, killer look, killer live shows and absolutely one of the best guitar players on the planet. Dokken has so many universally recognized 80's metal songs they needed 2 greatest hits albums to fit them all in. Your statement about Dokken doesn't piss me off but it sure caught me off guard.

Back to CC. He was voted the best worst guitar player because of his attitude. Try something... put on a Poison CD and pick a song with a CC guitar solo that you have heard 2 billion times and can hum every note. Now... try playing the solo on your guitar. I will even give you an easy example. Take the solo in Talk Dirty to Me. It sounds easy... it looks easy.. its basic.... and its really hard to play with the feel that CC brings to it. Mick Mars is another one of those guitarists that seems simple to copy.. until you try to. Maybe its just me.
Back in the 70's, everybody would claim that The Beatles songs were all simple 4 chord songs. Sure, on paper and listening to them, they sound simple. Yea right.. They have possibly the most complex and off the wall chord progressions and guitar voicings of any band I can think of. I should know. I was in a very popular Beatles tribute band for 2 years. CC Deville's guitar solos strike me the same way the Beatles strike alot of people.

[siggy14]

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See, jgcable, I don't think CC's chops are all that great. He's got that gonzo attitude, but I agree with what was said about him on a VH1 special: CC Deville is the best worst guitar player.

My choice for excellent shredders stuck in cheesy bands will probably piss everyone here off, but here goes: George Lynch. Honestly, what was so good about Dokken? Crap lyrics, horrible vocals, cheesy songs. Then George takes a solo and mops the floor with everyone.

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Thats a first for me. I can honestly say that 95% of every guitar player I know or teach absolutely LOVES Dokken. Why??? Killer songs, killer riffs, killer vocals, killer band, killer look, killer live shows and absolutely one of the best guitar players on the planet. Dokken has so many universally recognized 80's metal songs they needed 2 greatest hits albums to fit them all in. Your statement about Dokken doesn't piss me off but it sure caught me off guard.

Back to CC. He was voted the best worst guitar player because of his attitude. Try something... put on a Poison CD and pick a song with a CC guitar solo that you have heard 2 billion times and can hum every note. Now... try playing the solo on your guitar. I will even give you an easy example. Take the solo in Talk Dirty to Me. It sounds easy... it looks easy.. its basic.... and its really hard to play with the feel that CC brings to it. Mick Mars is another one of those guitarists that seems simple to copy.. until you try to. Maybe its just me.
Back in the 70's, everybody would claim that The Beatles songs were all simple 4 chord songs. Sure, on paper and listening to them, they sound simple. Yea right.. They have possibly the most complex and off the wall chord progressions and guitar voicings of any band I can think of. I should know. I was in a very popular Beatles tribute band for 2 years. CC Deville's guitar solos strike me the same way the Beatles strike alot of people.

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OK i loved dokken growing up, but i have to say, they did not have the best looks, most of there career they sported the mullets! Ouch.

[Chuckracer]

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This is a great thread. Everybody here has made terrific points, and been respectful of each other's opinions.

I would post, but Sully's last post was everything I wanted to say!

I began playing professionally while still in high school (1979), and rode that lucky streak right through to 1992. A pretty good run. So, as you can imagine, I had to be on the front edge of all the trends through the eighties, and was. I too lived the life, slept in the gutters, did the drugs, banged the groupies, and when I hear people put that era down as marketing, well, I get a little defensive. Guys like me were living this stuff...it's pretty far from marketing!

[atomic charvel guy]

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don't forget about the great barbecue sauce dinners when there were no chicks around that day to help feed you, let you take a shower at their house ,and use their hair dryer\and makeup.

[noodlesatf]

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I don't know, I just didn't get into hair metal that much. I never got into the likes of Dokken, Ratt, Dio, etc. I'd fast forward just to get to the guitar solo. The music just flat out didn't move me. Def Leppard and Motley Crue are the noteable exceptions. I was busy listening to thrash bands like Megadeth, Metallica, Anthrax, Exodus, and Testament.

[LRGman]

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I hated Poison and stil do. To me some of the cheesiest guitar licks of all time. Although there music is great for guys just learning to play because anyone can play their songs and leads. WTF is unskinny bop, oh a fat chick ..hohohahahehe what a hoot. [img]/images/graemlins/sleep.gif[/img]

Seen both bands live back in the day-poison warm up band totally shitty

Styper by themselves-rocked still one of the loudest shows to this day-they were pretty heavy guitar wise.

[MBreinin]

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I was busy listening to thrash bands like Megadeth, Metallica, Anthrax, Exodus, and Testament.

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See, to me, those bands lacked something crucial, the songs were more like exercises than songs. I am willing to "pussify" my listening experience if the song has a catchy hook, a melody..you can sing along to it.

However, "For Whom the Bell Tolls" is hands down one of the heaviest, most evil, awesome songs ever recorded...at least in my opinion. YMMV. [img]/images/graemlins/toast.gif[/img]

Mike

[noodlesatf]

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Maybe it was my childhood that reflects my tastes. I grew up in the 80s, and hated every minute of it. I was the small, geeky kid that would get shoved into gym lockers. Anthony Micahel Hall was ten times cooler than I ever was. Thrash bands were pissed off, and played music that wasn't all smiles and sunshine. Just like Black Sabbath in their time. It was the happy hair bands lacking something: testicles.

I knew I wasn't going to get laid, no matter how much hair metal I knew how to play. So, I listened to angry bands that I could empathize with, not some smiling pretty boys in spandex and makeup. When grunge came around and everyone stopped being happy, I was like, "Hey, get off my cloud! I've been disaffected for years, and now I've gotta be disaffected by your three-chord disaffectedness? Kiss my disaffected ass!"

Music has always been my release from the stresses of life. Happy is not a release, happy is what I am once music has helped me let go of all my anger.

[Chuckracer]

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Jesus, that was depressing!