Judas Priest..What happened?

[442w30]

I love JP, but I gravitate to the old stuff.

even in the 1980s, I only liked half of Defenders of the Faith.

Now I have finally admitted that Point of Entry is their greatest ROCK album. Don't laugh.

I would have to say POE and screaming for Vengeance are their greatest Albums.

It seems to me that they went from a bluesy band to a British 'space out'/anti war' band and then realized they had something to say around Hell bent for leather/British Steel/POE/Screaming.

Then Defenders of the Faith kind of reinvented the Mythos they got from the name and earlier space out lyrics.

Then Synth/Coke/Girls and pop got them thinking about big money.

Then Ram it down had fake drums and CRAPPY lyrics.

Then Painkiller gave them a heavy attitude with Defenders of the Faith meets Dio lyrics

Then they broke up and now they think Painkiller was their pinnacle! argh!!!!


does anyone else want straight ahead Rock beats/music with an edge? Does anyone else thing that Point of Entry had a Police - Synchronicity vibe to it that was cool if not metal?

[Newc]

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Agreed on all counts [img]/images/graemlins/toast.gif[/img]

I cannot stand Painkiller, and they really need to dump Scott Travis. So he can play a billion double kicks a second - whoopee fuggin doo - it doesn't add to the song, it just adds to the the guitar wanking. JP is not about the wanking.

They really need to get back to POE, SFV, and DOTF and stay there. It works for AC/DC, and it'll work for them. Iron Maiden should have stuck with everything up to Powerslave, as everything after that had too many bombs.

JP, to me, was more about the riffs, but they tried to move into Iron Maiden's territory too much, and it doesn't work.

[horns666]

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they have a new album you know...it's been out...it's pretty good..angel of retribution...with Robby!

JP RULES!!!!!!!

BTW Painkiller is one of my favorite albums for good reason...they finally got a REAL drummer...and that just kicked them in the fuckin' ass!

that other drummer was weak....weak as hell!

My Kid plays Painkiller all the time...he loves to play the intro all the time..so I learned the song for the most part and jam with him..

Vinny is becoming a smokin' drummer...he's almost at my level at a ripe old age of 10.. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

[Newc]

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AOR was not that good. More of Scott Travis's "happy feet" and not enough riffage.

You've Got Another Thing Comin', Grinder, Hot Rockin, Heading Out To The Highway, Electric Eye, Metal Gods, Breaking the F'n LAW!!!!

Songs like that - the ones that had a kickass riff. THAT'S Judas Priest. Yeah Dave Holland wasn't the most inspirational drummer, and Ian Hill didn't have the flash of Steve Harris, but they laid down a brick foundation that Glenn and K.K. poured wet cement over, and Rob finished it out to make the heaviest, biggest, and hardest wall of rock since the Chinese built that fence of theirs.

[Deneb]

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I like the song Painkiller...I think it kicks ass. I just saw priest last night, and I'm a little fucked off the sound guy gave them a better mix than Queensryche. IMHO Queensryche may not have pioneered the shit that JP did, but for fucks sake, QR is a bad ass band!

[442w30]

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I liked some of AOR.

Angel, Hellrider (Painkiller like), Deal with the Devil (a rocker), Demonizer (pretty good).

Overall, a great album for a 30 year old band. Let Ozzy try and touch it!

But really - loch ness? Spinal tap meets rhyme of the ancient mariner?

I just wish they would do somthing in the rolling stones style Point of Entry was so un-tainted to me so totally created in a vacuum.

Leave death metal and power metal to bands that wanted to do that from the start. JP was born to sew the seeds of metal, they were not meant to use Rocktron Prophecy preamps and scoop the mids!

I will say KK is the only guy on the planet I want to have a digitech Whammy Pedal though.

On a side note, I know they have it in them still. Halford's crucible is second only to God Hates us All on my top albums of the 21st Century right now. They were 'inspired' on that one!

[srommes]

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I dug the earlier stuff (especially Screaming), but Painkiller and AOR are badass also. The synthy "Johnnie be Good" stuff was gay and I'm happy they got over that phase. Gotta disagree on Scott Travis. I think he kicks ass! Off topic, but what did everyone think of Halford's project "Fight". I dug the shit out of them. One of the bands I was in used to play a bunch of their shit ie. Contortion, Small Deadly Space etc. CON....TOR...TION [img]/images/graemlins/headbang.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/headbang.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/headbang.gif[/img]

[Number Of The Priest]

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I want some Fight but it's difficult to locate. My naked acoustic video in the MP3 section was a Fight song. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

I thought Halford's "Crucible" was awful. The whole sound is stale and needing... that's right, my favorite effect... REVERB!!! ESPECIALLY on the drums and distorted guitar sound. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

I actually kinda like "Turbo"! [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] Huge reverb-loaded sound. [img]/images/graemlins/headbang.gif[/img]

[horns666]

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NEWC , sorry I'm the one to bust your balls but...it's called double bass , check into it...and as far as double kicks go..Scott Travis is mild compared to the likes of Lombardo , Sandavol , Barker , Hoglan..and many more drum gods..

it's 2005 NEWC...Drummers have come along way since Ringo Star and his three piece...cut off the mullet and live a little.. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

Metal without Double kicks is a hamburger without meat! [img]/images/graemlins/eyes.gif[/img]

[Sunbane]

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Painkiller IS the pinnacle of their careers as far as I'm concerned. That album is the very essence of heavy metal, and has some of the greatest metal songs of all time. When Painkiller came out, it freakin' stomped over everything else - big time!

JP is a band that has evolved over time, and each album has had a little different vibe. With Painkiller they raised the bar for themselves AND for the whole metal genre as such. As with all bands that grow in new directions, they're not going to please everyone, and they make no excuses for it.

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Metal without Double kicks is a hamburger without meat!

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Agreed.

[necrotechno]

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Not enough riffage? No, there's not any "one-finger" riffs like Breaking the Law, but there's a lot of hungry monster playing on there. The bridge on Hellrider is like every Danny Elfman movie score rolled into one. You try and hit that vocal note on Demonizer. How Angel didn't lapse into total cheeez, is a minor miracle. I didn't notice any one-note bass thumping either, like is on many JP classics.

I also don't see the criticism of Scott Travis. His playing doesn't detract or distract from the song like that joker who drums for Nevermore. I haven't listened to Queensryche since Rage for Order, but it's probably mostly the non-sensical drumming not nurturing comprehensible song structures that turned me off of them. Watch Travis' body language when he plays, and it's pretty obvious he's a precise machine who's only serving the songs, like Gene Hoglan from SYL. Unlike SYL, the songs are good.

The only JP record I had for a long time was Sad Wings of Destiny on cassette. I always liked it okay, but to me, Rob's singing sounded very influenced by Liza Minelli. Then their biker schtick turned me off, too. The first dude I ever saw dressed like that was one of the Village People, and I could never shake that image. I never put 2-and-2 together, but I never got into JP either.

But I did pick up the new JP record, AoR. Wasn't too impressed with it at first, because it seemed a little predictable. But it's really grown on me. Every song is an absolute gem and I plan to pick up their whole back catalog.

I'm sorry now that I wasn't into JP earlier, 'cause most of the shit that I was really emotionally invested into in the 80's has disappeared into oblivion — Celtic Frost, Cirith Ungol, Omen, Hallow's Eve, Nuclear Assault, Annihilator, Rage, etc. Even Megadeth and Mercyful Fate are only strange patchwork zombie versions of what they once were. Voivod is like a sickly cousin that's recovering from cancer or something.

Maybe the reunion and new album were just for the money, but the old dudes in JP definitely have a stronger family bond than the slick businessmen in Black Sabbath, the social miscreants in Motley Crue or the apathetic pukes in Anthrax.

[Soap]

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Metal without Double kicks is a hamburger without meat! [img]/images/graemlins/eyes.gif[/img]

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Agreed.
JP?
One of my favorite metal bands, along with Iron Maiden, Ozzy, Sabbath, metallica, megadeth.

JP's has such a huge pool of songs there will always be some songs more liked than others. Personally, I prefer they're older stuff (Sad wings of destiny, sin after sin, stained class, hell bent for leather, unleashed in the east, british steel, screaming for vengence.

Defenders of faith was good but I don't like it as much as Screaming for vengence. Sentinal was the showcase from defenders. Painkiller, the song itself will be a priest metal masterpiece, even if the main rhythmn part of the song is simple. The song is about attitude and showcases the solo's of Glen and K.K. The opening intro drum piece is a very nice touch. The album, I didn't care much for the same way I didn't care for others like ( point of entry, ram it down, jugulator and demolition).

AOR (angel of retribution) obviously wasn't/isn't their best, but, the song Judas is rising is top notch priest material, along with hellrider, wheels of fire and demonizer. AOR is a good solid and strong reunited studio album, and their world tour is gathering very large crowds. Folks obviously are/were ready for priest to return to the studio and return to headlining again, it shows in CD and ticket sales.

Scott travis?
He's a top notch double bass drummer that brings the essential much needed precussions that metal needs to truly showcase itself. In regards to double bass drumming, Bill said it wonderfully.

[Jacksonite]

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I aint going to get into it to deep, But Painkiller is one of my alltime favorite albums, and AOR is great...not the greatest, but Rob can flat fucking sing... and thats cool...

[442w30]

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Painkiller is good for what it is, but have you guys listened to Point of Entry as a ROCK album? I know a lot of people want to hear painkiller, but Point of entry is just KILLER as a straight up rock album.

Think Rolling stones, think jamming, think 'The Police' without politics, don't think about 'my mom won't let me have the car', being pissed off, the end of the world, alien abductions, judgement day, dragons, myths and biker gear, or kicking someones ass with rock-n-roll.

It's thoughtful but not sappy lyrically. It has hooks but is not boring. It has solos but isn't self indulgent.

It may be the best album ever!!!!

[toejam]

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Then they broke up and now they think Painkiller was their pinnacle! argh!!!!


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Uh, they never broke up... they just got a new singer who also kicked major ass (Tim Owens) who was like a cross between Halford and Eric Adams of Manowar. And their greatest album is Painkiller! [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]