Possibly most impressive technical playing ever.

[guitarsjb]

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That is faster than Batio.

Very clean...I don't care what anyone says about no feel and all that crap...It really gets so tired hearing..."But he has no feeling". The dude is showcasing his ability on a home vid! That is impressive...Period! I'm sure he can play "Still got the blues" if he wants to...lol

I dont know about you guys but, when I practice my scales and sweeps I do not go for feeling...I go for speed and articulation. I can still play with feeling but I can shred too. Practice and performing...Two different things.

Wish there was better audio though.

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[the_drip]

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ok, that was really stupid.


30 BPS! DUN DUN DUN!!!!

lol.

[toejam]

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I can play very clean... at like 2 BPS. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

[jgcable]

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That is faster than Batio.

Very clean...I don't care what anyone says about no feel and all that crap...It really gets so tired hearing..."But he has no feeling". The dude is showcasing his ability on a home vid! That is impressive...Period! I'm sure he can play "Still got the blues" if he wants to...lol

I dont know about you guys but, when I practice my scales and sweeps I do not go for feeling...I go for speed and articulation. I can still play with feeling but I can shred too. Practice and performing...Two different things.

Wish there was better audio though.

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I have 2 advanced students.
One of them can shred at around 26nps which is about 2 notes faster than me yet he has no feel and can't just riff off the cuff. He also has no idea of what a melody line is. When the song comes on he just shreds. He shreds in key but thats all he can do. He also can't make up his own stuff.
He has no idea how to build a solo. Its all about scales, positions and modes for him. If you heard him play in a music store you would bow down and say "I'm not worthy" and think you discovered one of the future best shredders on the planet. You would be dead wrong. He's boring and has no creativity at all. He's also a very stubborn player. Its his way or the highway. He isn't in a band and he can't write for himself. He just sits in his room and shreds until his carpal tunnel syndrome flairs up. I am trying to teach him to find his own style. It ain't easy. BTW... he thinks I should be on the G3 tour and I am not 1/2 the technical player he is. I just have a very large "body" of work to pull from when I play.
I have another student who is a 10nps player at his fastest. He.. on the other hand... comes up with all kinds of cool riffs and melody lines. He knows how to build his own solos. He loves SRV and feels that a guitarist should be able to hold an audience by just playing guitar. He likes the SRV percussive style of playing.

My point in bringing up these 2 completely different players who are being taught by me is that there is room for all kinds of guitarists. This guy is a speed and precision freak. Thats cool. SRV was a feel player. Thats cool too. Then there is ULI JON ROTH who is everything a guitarist/musician/writer could ever want to be regardless of genre. Its all good boys.... enjoy it and learn from it. Bottom line... and we all know it... there are a ton of incredible guitar players who never make it out of their bedrooms. This guy might be one of them.

[rjohnstone]

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I got tired just watching... shit that was fast.
Not my thing really, but impressive.

[sevser]

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"there are a ton of incredible guitar players who never make it out of their bedrooms. This guy might be one of them."

Might be...But how do we conclude this with this vid? I'm sure there are a ton of players like your student but, not all fast players are like that.

[shredmonster]

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Fastest I have seen. Although if you have ever seen Chris Impellitterri it would be a tough call. And only 3 finger technique also. The guy has triplet technique down. Strings as low as possible. Fast for what it is. He goes faster than the 4 finger guys. Hmmmm... maybe 3 fingers are better. I understand this was just an exercise or demonstration in speed to show how fast he can play. Not very practical though.

A great vibrato - not an OK one but a great one - takes as much time as developing any other aspect like speed I think. So I admire a guy who has great vibrato just as much as a speedster.

I listen to the 4 finger guys - and we all know who they are - and they bore me tears and don't sound musical.

I timed myself recently using 4 finger technique and I can go 26 bps currently and play it articulately but so what. I do it for ego purposes really. It would be hard to put the stuff into a song. An entire style of that and no one would want to listen to it. So why work to go faster I think to myself - its already too fast for musical purposes. Great if you want to impress your friends or other shredders though.

I use to gravitate towards whoever was the fastest player. More speed was always better. Now I find myself listening to tasteful players who have great phrasing and vibrato and tone.

You have to be able to hear the tone of notes, the harmonics, the charactoristics that make them sound mean or sad. Thats when music moves people.

There has to be different timing and space between the notes to make what your playing interesting. As Satriani says what interests him is what notes players leave out.

I use to also think if a guy was fast he can play slow no problem. I found out how wrong I was when I met someone who had a killer vibrato and great phrasing. I could go way faster but he sounded way better. His music had emotion and mine was just an exercise for my ego. So I painstakinly learned to develop phrasing and vibrato and tone.

But yeah this guy is fast. But to develop speed you usually have to work on it constantly and forgo other practice like developing tone, pharasing and vibrato. So don't bet that because a player is fast that he can play slower stuff just as well as anybody. My guess is this guy will probably never be a fully developed player like Uli Roth or Michael Schenker or Brett Garsed because he works and focuses on one thing only. It's not just the time it takes to get up to that speed. But you have to work on it every day to stay there.

But I am getting off the subject here I know.

[jgcable]

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"there are a ton of incredible guitar players who never make it out of their bedrooms. This guy might be one of them."

Might be...But how do we conclude this with this vid? I'm sure there are a tone of players like your student but, not all fast players are like that.

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That is precisely why I added the "might" in my statement. I don't know him from adam.
In my experience... the vast majority of guitar players "D&S"
That means dabble and suck. They talk a good game, they have great gear, they know all kinds of theory and other useless dribble, they look and dress like rockstars and they also suck. In the big picture, there are far less players that can actually rip than you would think. Most of them are hacks who never put enough time in and get frustrated when they can't tear up a guitar. Spending more time in the mirror than practicing pisses me off. Bashing a great player pisses me off too. If you are giving your guitar playing an honest go I have nothing but respect for you. I just can't stand the talkers who can't back it up. Luckily.. on the JCF, we have a PLETHORA of great players. Its cool just to be amongst them. Regarding this player... This guy practices.... ALOT!

[Rupe]

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Then there is ULI JON ROTH who is everything a guitarist/musician/writer could ever want to be regardless of genre

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[jjw]

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not impressed in the slightest,its way harder to phrase than to blaze.he is fast and he rakes arps quickly but big deal, that clip sounded fucking gnarly

[jgcable]

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not impressed in the slightest,its way harder to phrase than to blaze.he is fast and he rakes arps quickly but big deal, that clip sounded fucking gnarly

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Nice quote!! [img]/images/graemlins/headbang.gif[/img] Its way harder to phrase than blaze. Cool.

[atomic charvel guy]

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i didn't even listen to it and i already know i'll take jeff beck instead.

[Endrik]

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I'll take Tommy instead of that guy

[Axe Chemist]

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I'd rather watch Michael J. Fox faking "Johnny B. Good" on Back to the Future [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

[pro-fusion]

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A lot of the comments here remind me of the "I play for the song" snobbery that you'd see from alt-rock wussies. Technical mastery is a tool, nothing more or less. Players who do nothing but run scales throughout a piece of music don't do much for me, but then neither do guys who sit around and brag that their lack of technical skill somehow makes them a better musician. I call bullshit on that big time.

I've never heard the guy in this video in the context of his band, or his real music. In the video, he's just showing an exercise that is pretty damned amazing. I would prefer to have better audio to hear how clear his playing really is, though.