Since you don't hear much of Kirk on the CDs...

[Soap]

Re: Since you don\'t hear much of Kirk on the CDs..

Your comparing apples and oranges and it won't work.
Both are good guitarist in their own way but definitely different as would be obvious. Its like comparing Angus young to Steve Vai. Again both are very different but good at what they do. Not sure what the point is in making such comparisions to begin with. Who cares, they both are good players and both contributed largely to the rock scene and inspired many guns. Its all good.

[Fragle]

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"you wanna hear our playing or our writing?"

both "

umm....this comes from the guy who's way into nu metal...

besides, judging from your choice of tones ("wall of sound" nu metal deftones and the likes), you obviously do NOT want to hear anything but fizz [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

j/k man [img]/images/graemlins/toast.gif[/img]

[Endrik]

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it's been 20 years of http://www.metallica.com/Media/Album...asp?album_id=3

[Geir]

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Back to Kirk's playing, I think "...and justice for all" is his best album. Sure, MOP is the classic, but I listen to Justice a lot more, and I think it has the best solos, by far.

But I prefer Megadeth, anyway [img]/images/graemlins/headbang.gif[/img] !

[Fragle]

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i think "struggle within" is his best solo. damage, inc also is nice, because it's full tilt all the time....some might call that lame, but i think it fits the song very well.
btw, john petrucci once said that this solo was quite difficult for him to nail, because it's so totally different from what he (john) is usually doing. i think it's on the 5 years in a livetime dvd.
kinda weird imho....

[JC_Denton]

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I think it is a great song and a great solo

[JC_Denton]

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BTw i dont like AJFA, .I like load, re load , black ,mp.

[Endrik]

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I don't like AJFA either, their weakes effort IMHO

[Fragle]

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"I don't like AJFA either, their weakes effort IMHO "

man, seems like we're having an off day [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] i really like AJFA, ranks high up there imho....not counting post black album metallica, kill em all is their weakest IMHO.
i prefer RTL, next is the black album, then AJFA, then MOP, and then KeA....
AJFA lacks catchy song structures, but features some KILLER riffage. MoP on the other hand is repetitive, but well written....it's just all too long. i really like the fact that they cut down to a moderate 5min length instead of 8 minute uber songs....nono

[horns666]

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There is way too many REAL great players and metal bands out there (too many to count) to give a fuck about a hack, has been like hamster boy..

I think! [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[Endrik]

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kill em all is their weakest IMHO.

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it was the first thrash metal album ever

[Fragle]

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that doesn't make it any better. i HATE measuring stuff by old standards. sure, back then it was THE shiznit, but nowadays...gimme a break.
besides, only a few years after KeA was released the first testament album came out, and that one kicks MUCHO ass, even by todays standards! especially skolnick's lead work, in contrast to kirk hamster's, which brings me full circle back to the topic [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

[Endrik]

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both were Satch's students, I guess we all know who learned more

[siggy14]

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so what is the conclusion here, it seems people that dont like kirk bash him and people that do like his work defend him. The wonderfull thing about music is we all have or own tastes and like different things. If everyone liked the same exact thing we would just have the same music played over and over every year etc.... and it would just get boring.

With that being said, it really is a sorry state when people have to bash other guitarists in order to make themselves feel better.

So what do i have to say, coming from someone that liked, but not loved them i would have to say he does pretty well and rights catchy little solo's that MOST people like. I grew up in the 80's and had alot of guitar hero's, kirk was not one of them, i was more into the Glam metal super shread shit but his solo's never turned me off and i always respected his work.

Like i have said in the past about other artists, he is making millions, and millions of people love his solo work and that speaks for itself. You can hate, you can dis, but in the long run it makes you look stupid and jealous. If you dont like his solo work then dont listen to it, but dont bash it, because he is out there living the dream most of us wish we could live and you do not get there from being a hack.

PS, I wish he would back off the wah a little, but i guess that is his style so he goes with it. I also thought ACE was a good guitarist, my first memory of Metal/Rock was being five years old and playing the Kiss 8 tracks and dressing up like them with my bro and friends and putting on a fake concert, but comparing him to Kirk is just stupid, it is like comparing a Ant to an Elphant, just two different leagues.

[VitaminG]

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G, Gary Moore and Ace have more in common than you can think of [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]
Heavy picking attack, cutting thru tone, phrasing patterns etc. I'm sure Gary picked up something from Ace

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you are right, they have those things in common. But Gary's playing is way more sophisticated. PLUS he has excellent note choice, speed to burn, killer vibrato & writes an awesome solo. But as a teenager in the late 60s, Gary's reputation had spread to the UK from Ireland before he even moved there, so it seems he had a pretty established style before KISS even broke in the UK. I wonder if maybe Ace picked up a thing or two from Gary.

This reminds me of a recent Q&A I read with Gary. A reader had written in noticing some similarities between Gary & Randy Rhoads' playing, and was looking for Gary to acknowledge Randy's influence on his playing. Totally ignoring that Randy had only broken out worldwide around '81, by which time Gary had already been making albums for more than a decade.