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I've been listening to alot of Micheal Schenker, old Scorpions with Uli Roth, and Ritchie Blackmore and have noticed ALOT of similarities with that stuff and Randy's playing with Ozzy... Especially with Schenker, though Micheal is more bluesy. Don't get me wrong, I'm probably the biggest Randy fan you are ever going to meet, but after absorbing the three above mentioned players extensively in the past few weeks, his reputation has tarnished slightly. I've always been of the impression that Randy was extremely innovative and unique, but it sounds to me like he borrowed heavily from those three guys. Anybody else feel the same way or am I nuts?
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Oh boy. Steve, I will send you my flame suit. I have posted the same thing on may occasions and the kevlar undies come in handy.
From my point of view, you are 100% right on the money. My first exposure to amazing guitar players came from Roth, Schenker, Blackmore and Frank Marino. When I first heard Randy all I could muster was, "ok, been there, heard that."
Shawn Lutz made a good point about Randy on another board where he said that Randy's impact was so huge because his style of playing was supported by kick ass songs. Schenker, Scorpions, etc, all had some lousy songs with amazing solos. But Randy had the enormous benefit of Bob Daisley to help push his songs and playing over the top.
Nice to see someone else agrees with me on this. Wanna hang out? lol
Edit - I should mention that I don't think Randy is over rated as a player, he is phenomenal, but as an innovator - no question, in my opinion.Last edited by Top Jimmy B; 03-30-2006, 12:30 PM.Tarbaby Fraser. -
Yeah, I know most will get worked up about this LOL. I'm not trying to start anything, because like I said, Randy is one of my favorite players.
As far as great songs, I think the UFO stuff is excellent. Very 70's rockish, but I'm diggin' it. Strangers in the Night has been in my CD player in the car and in my computer at work for the past week LOL.
There are some striking similarities in the material to say the least.
I can't believe I'm even saying this about Randy, but I gotta call it like I see it.Last edited by khabibissell; 03-30-2006, 12:37 PM.Comment
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Randy wrote and co-wrote some great songs. He also had a fairly unique tone at the time (some liked it.. some hated it) and was one of the first main stream metal guitarists who dabbled in the neo-classical style along with double tracking all of his guitar solo's.Originally posted by khabibissell
With that said... I never found Randy innovative either except for his guitars themselves.
Sometimes... tragically passing away is the best way to become a legend.
I WILL SAY THIS THOUGH!!!!!
If Randy didn't die in that friggin plane crash I think he would have become very innovative. He was a student of the game in regards to guitar. He was taking lessons from everybody absorbing all kinds of styles and techniques. He quite possibly could have became one of the greatest guitarists who ever lived. RIP Randy... you rock.Comment
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Some one here posted mp3's of QR first two records with Randy and even though his playing is good the songs were crap. I've just got 3 DVDs of footage of Randy playing with QR in 1979 and his solos are fine, in fact some of them are almost the same as some of his Ozzy solos. His mystic is greatly enhanced by having some great songs on those Ozzy records. His style seems to have changed little from QR to Ozzy. I just wonder if he would have ended up in something like the BulletBoys or something, if he would be the legend he is today.
Something to think about. I love the stuff he did with Ozzy, hell just about the only covers I know are Randy/Ozzy songs.
So don't think I don't like him. I love his music.
J.Comment
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That could very well be John... Maybe the Ozzy situation was rushed to the point were he was playing stuff that fit that "euro metal" mold and not really having the opportunity to forge his own path. Also, you never know what kind of pressure others were putting on him... "play like so and so" etc...Comment
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Unfortunately, we will never know what Randy could or would have been.Originally posted by DTPSome one here posted mp3's of QR first two records with Randy and even though his playing is good the songs were crap. I've just got 3 DVDs of footage of Randy playing with QR in 1979 and his solos are fine, in fact some of them are almost the same as some of his Ozzy solos. His mystic is greatly enhanced by having some great songs on those Ozzy records. His style seems to have changed little from QR to Ozzy. I just wonder if he would have ended up in something like the BulletBoys or something, if he would be the legend he is today.
Something to think about. I love the stuff he did with Ozzy, hell just about the only covers I know are Randy/Ozzy songs. So don't think I don't like him. I love his music.
J.
I have heard many live QR Randy solo's and I agree that his style from QR to Ozzy didn't change much but you have to consider that it wasn't a very long time period.
It was the combination and the timing that made it for Randy when he joined Ozzy. Great songs, a great all star line-up fronted by the greatest metal singer in history. There are better singers but there is only 1 Ozzy.
Who knows... maybe Randy would have burned out? Rumour at the time was that he wanted to quit metal and devote his efforts 100% to classical guitar. Maybe he would have been the first metal classical fingerpicker. Maybe he would have turned into an Esteban!!
My gut feeling is that he would have continued to do great things for all of us guitar playing fans that loved him.
I cried the day I heard he died. I don't cry easy.Comment
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When Randy came out with Ozzy, we worshipped him. I wore out my Diary of a Madman record by playing that solo break in Over the Mountain time after time after time.
However, now it just doesn't move me like it used to. It is too bad he went so young, because I think as technology evolved, so would have his guitar tone, which I find to be annoying at times.
In contrast, VH's music from the same era still moves me quite a bit. So I guess I am more in the Ed camp.
Randy was far from overrated, he was great, and still is.
MikeSleep. The sound doesn't collapse to riffs of early eyes either.Comment
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criminy, Steve. Are you saying that Randy was the 'Kirk Hammett' of his generation? A good guitarist who was deified because he was in a popular band? lolHail yesterdayComment
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Originally posted by VitaminG
I think its totally cool that you used the word deified.
I consider myself a master of the vernacular and I am impressed.Comment
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Could be "G", but Kirk isn't even a pimple on RR's ass. LOLComment
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There is something to consider though. Ozzy's Blizzard of Oz and Diary of a Madman are admired equally for the songs and for the guitar playing.
Randy may have not been that innovative but he certainly jumped out of the mix on those 2 records.
Maybe he was more innovative and great then some of us think.
I know that I worshiped him and wore out those albums learning every lick.
He was a major influence to me along with many other players at that time.Comment
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All we know is all we have.
He died at very young age, never had the opportunity to peak or test more of the waters of innovation. So, with what we have he was without a doubt an outstanding writer and player. He influenced alot of players thats for certain too.
With Ed, we have more to make an evaluation.
We have something like 11 or 12 VH albums vs Randy's 4 albums (2 with QR and 2 with Ozzy).
The 80's were a great time, you actually had to know how to play your instrument well. Thus, forcing the boundaries of playing and pushing the envolope of song writing. Its from the 80's that alot of these young guns today are drawing the knowledge base from to better themselves as guitarists.
Peace, Love and Happieness and all that stuff...
"Anyone who tries to fling crap my way better have a really good crap flinger."
I personally do not care how it was built as long as it is a good playing/sounding instrument.
Yes, there's a bee in the pudding.Comment
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You're nuts.Originally posted by khabibissell
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First of all, just because you find (and rightly so!) that Blackmore/Schenker/Roth are OUTSTANDING players, it does not tarnish RR's legacy.
RR is also outstanding. He just didnt shine for as long. Kind of like Sandy Koufax in baseball.
That being said, there was aother comment that I did disagree with.
Schenker has GREAT songs, both in UFO and MSG.
Old QR Lps are BAD. The songs, save for one or two SUCK.
But you can hear the STAR that RR was to soon become.Charvel: Model1, 2 & 5, Surfcaster 12
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