Robbin Crosby....RIP

[Top Jimmy B]

toejam, do you remember Akbar & Jeff? Matt Groening's earliest creations, prior to the Simpson's? They were awesome.

[RacerX]

Weren't they gay? What are you saying about Toejam?

Quck edit: Yes they are: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akbar_and_Jeff

[MadJack]

There are a few exceptions that can smoke pot and lead successful productive lives

The key is not to let the herb smoke you. I indulge to suppress the rage, the disgust, the dispair and the pain. If I could maintain the state of peace I attain with the pipe, I would quit. My problem is I forget that the world is exactly as fucked up as it is supposed to be and that as much as I would like to end my pain and everyone elses, its not my responsibility. I can't write a song and create a utopian society. I can't change human nature. I can lite up and change the channel. What do you think Cliff meant when he said "All of this I cannot bear to witness any longer, cannot the kingdom of salvation take me home"? I think people do drugs because reality is morbid. Some od's are accidental, mine was. Some od's are people throwing in the towel because they feel helpless and some are a spiteful attack, defying the pain to the fullest extent. I envy those who cherish life and need no escape from the headlines and the debt and the struggle to survive.
I wish I could tune out the misery of life without a couple of bong hits and a margarita (I was never an alcoholic, just a fuckin drunk). For me life is more about how you treat everyone you come in contact with than how you cope with stress.
My apologies for being so expressive and I hope I haven't offended anyone, including thetruthguy. I just wanted to say what I said: To lose anyone from this earth due to the pain we all feel is a tragedy, period.

[toejam]

toejam, do you remember Akbar & Jeff? Matt Groening's earliest creations, prior to the Simpson's? They were awesome.

No, I don't remember them.

[sambencuda]

Karma.

Addiction is a disease as defined by psychiatrists in the DSMV manuals and similar, but there is ample debate as to whether or not true biological addiction is occurring. Most likely, what's happening is psychological and a form of conditioning, spurred by addictive personalities and lives of excess. In other words, learned behavior. Addiction places the blame outside of the affected person and allows the person to feel sorry for himself/herself. To me, this is a very powerful and dangerous way of thinking, because when people drink too much, eat too much, or whatever, it's not their fault; however, people should take the blame for their actions. At the end of the BTM, Robbin did say some powerful things about how he does take responsibility. I've not got anything against him. It's just there's an air around here that what happened to him was tragic and it wasn't. Tragedy befalls victims. Robbin was no victim. As was said, he did take responsibility; he knew what he was getting into and accepted the consequences. So, too, should we accept this. As the law stands now, drug use is a crime. Should we also feel sorry for all the drug-users who committ countless crimes to get their fixes? I don't think so. I don't know Robbin Crosby. I'm not trying to make judgments. But he was a drug user ... no different from any other drug user. Why do we change what drug use is when someone has celebrity status? It's the same thing, and I don't have much respect for people who make this choice (yes, choice), because there are ultimately better and more positive ways to deal with problems.

I'm guessing you skipped over Kev's post. That or you just have no consideration for how others may feel. Think about that. I can almost understand your points, but if I loose my brother to drugs, should I not feel sad? It's a tragedy whether they chose it or not. If they chose it, it's a tragedy by what they've done to themselves.

[thetruthguy]

People who know Robbin, yes they should feel sad. But people who don't know him ... ? And for those of you who think I'm heartless ... I have had and have friends and relatives in very deep and couldn't/can't get out. I'm there for them. In fact (without going into details), my job puts me in a position where I see people every day who are endangering themselves, many of them having been born (not by choice) into such situations. I help them whether they've chose their paths or not. But that doesn't negate the fact that they're going down a dangerous path, many of them by choice. As for the whole nature vs. nurture thing, I do lean more towards the behavioral side of the spectrum, and it sounds like the consensus here is that addiction is not a choice but a disease. Ah well. This is not the place to argue that point, so I won't. Robbin Crosby chose his path. Was he driven to it? That's a tough call, because people make decisions, and decisions can be either good or bad. I believe drug users make bad choices. We all do at times, but there's getting close to the line and then there's crossing the line. I accept what happens to people. If there, I'll do what I can to stop them, help them, or whatever, but after-the-fact, there's nothing any of us can do, and in my view, mourning just isn't productive. We celebrate the good and learn from the mistakes and move on. I apologize for offending people who knew Robbin ... really didn't know anyone around here knew him personally. I grew up on Ratt, too ... first metal album I bought was the original EP ... but how many of these rags to riches to drugs to death stories do people have to hear before they begin realizing that rock stars weren't the sharpest tools in the shed when it came to taking care of their health, their finances, their relationships, etc.? It's all about power and choices. Sadly, the more power people get, the less likely they are to make positive decisions.

[Jack Napalm]

It's a tragedy that you can't use the enter key to create a paragraph.

[brent]

Reading this it becomes pretty obvious who has 'real world' understanding of alcohism/addiction
At some point it goes beyond a 'choice' for some people and not for others.
No offense meant to anyone but in my experience nobody really understands it, including those studying it, those deep in it, those recovered from it and certainly those dead from it

[MadJack]

The real kicker is that this thread isnt about drugs or addiction, its about being beaten by pain. Thats the tragedy, pain won the war. Drugs were just the weapon. We lost another icon to the pain in this world.

[VanOsbourne]

This thread was so long I forgot to take a hit.

[lerxstcat]

I guess That 70s Show should be held accountable too. The guys are always sitting around in Eric's basement, getting stoned.
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EXACTLY

They've got a car.... that runs on WATER, man!

[pro-fusion]

I can't imagine anyone watching the Ratt BTM--or any of the other ones I've seen--and being influenced to do drugs.

I generally disliked the L.A. hair bands even back in the day, but this BTM brought back how good a band Ratt were in the early days. For my money, they were musically head/shoulders above any of the other bands on that scene, even if they had a terrible singer.

BTW, is it just me or was Warren the only one who didn't come off as extremely bitter or injured somehow?

[Joe_Steeler]

It's a tragedy that you can't use the enter key to create a paragraph.

I love you Jack, not only you created the coolest PC1 there will be, but you managed to make me laugh on what otherwise is a sad thread.

No sense in bashing each other here guys.... common.

[MadJack]

No sense in bashing each other here guys.... common.

Not my intention. I got upset because the focus got lost. Thats all.

[Badseed]

I can't imagine anyone watching the Ratt BTM--or any of the other ones I've seen--and being influenced to do drugs.

I generally disliked the L.A. hair bands even back in the day, but this BTM brought back how good a band Ratt were in the early days. For my money, they were musically head/shoulders above any of the other bands on that scene, even if they had a terrible singer.

BTW, is it just me or was Warren the only one who didn't come off as extremely bitter or injured somehow?

Yeah warren seemed the calm one.You can tell Bobby and Pearcy hate each other, but need each other for thier careers.