Robbin Crosby....RIP

[jgcable]

Yeah warren seemed the calm one.You can tell Bobby and Pearcy hate each other, but need each other for thier careers.

The other unusual thing they didn't mention on the Ratt BTM is the connection between Pearcy and Milton Berle. They mentioned Milton's brother as a music executive that helped them get their start but they didn't mention the blood relation or the fact that Milton appeared in thier first popular video's on MTV.

I could be 100% off base on this but I heard that Milton Berle productions bank rolled Out of the Cellar including the video's and that Milton is Pearcy's uncle. At least thats what everybody talked about when Ratt first came out. Uncle Milty was responsible for getting them discovered and signed.

[sully]

nah dude, ratt's manager was marshall berle, milton's nephew. as a favor, uncle miltie agreed to be in the first few videos.

sully

[jgcable]

nah dude, ratt's manager was marshall berle, milton's nephew. as a favor, uncle miltie agreed to be in the first few videos.

sully

Thanks Sully.

[Venomboy]

They showed Marshall and Milton in the Behind the Music and said they were related. They even showed Milton getting pissed on set of the video.

Did anyone catch Robbin playing the Caparison?

[sully]

yep. juan had an endorsement with them, and he hooked robbin up with them too.

[Badseed]

Saw one pic of Jake e lee !!

I thought it was good and covered everyting as much as they could.Remember, this has been in the can since 1999-2000.Great story and BTM.

I was saddened by Robbins end, but it was put in perspective by watching the Dimebag murder on the pantera BTM.

[npacheco]

I still have not seen the Ratt BTM, everytime I turn it to VH1 it's not on. I've seen the last 5 minutes at that's it. I've seen the Pantera one though. I definitely had a lump in my throat for that one.

[RacerX]

Is this on youtube yet?

I did find a bunch of RATT vids but not BTM

http://youtube.com/results?search=RA...&search=Search

[horns666]

I didn't read all the bickering..what for?

To me, both are tragedies for two great people and players.

both lived life the way they wanted..

one was murdered buy a tool that got terminated by a cop on the ball..

that's it!

RIP Dime

RIP Robbin

Bill

[btx109]

Ratt's BTM episode will re-broadcast 5/26 at 11am EST, and again on 5/28 at 1am EST according to VH1's schedule.

[JZ06]

Thanks for the heads up, I'd like to see this as I was/am a VERY big Ratt fan. I'd seen them MANY times and they we're my favorite band in the 80's.

5.26 @ 11 a.m. shows BTM GNR. I can't search that far in to my DVR's software to program it on the 28th.

[btx109]

http://www.vh1.com/shows/schedule/series_sched.jhtml?seriesID=6759

Link to VH1's upcoming BTM schedule.

[siggy14]

i second curt's statements in that he never asked for anyone's sorrow. if you saw the part of the BTM episode where he says "don't feel sorry for me", etc, he was being genuine. he knew what he was doing, he knew that his actions had consequences that he was living. it doesn't change the fact that he was a person. a friend. a son. a brother. his addiction and his end is tragic; it's sad because he couldn't find a way to overcome the pain that he had any other way. it's not one dimensional; his existence in life wasn't "junkie loser scumbag." he was a talented, sweet, and loving person who sadly isolated himself as a way of dealing with pain that he had for a long time. he wasn't all fine and dandy until he became some rock star one day and started doing drugs that he couldn't handle.

i sincerely hope that you don't have friends that have addictions, and that you don't have to see friends waste their gifts in life. i hope that no one close to you throws their life away because they don't see their own potential in life. or if you do someday, i hope you don't turn your back on them and write them off.

i understand what you're saying in that shows like this may show others that it's okay to not care about your general well being and it's okay to go ahead and shoot up heroin, etc. i'd think that robbin's story in the episode does the exact opposite; before they show footage of him in his last tv interview, you see him as young and on top of the world. then you get to see how far he'd fallen. there was no rising from the ashes; he fucking died. yeah, no one killed him but himself. i get that. it's okay to have some empathy for that person on a human level for the reasons i've already posted. i don't expect everyone to feel bad for him, but i do think that the "he did it to himself, fuck him" attitude is an unfortunate one. i don't expect to change your mind, and that's okay. but i tell ya, the fact that a friend of mine is no longer living because he couldn't find a way out of whatever he was dealing with inside eats at me sometimes. and in a sense, many people lose because of that.

sully

+1

Sorry to come into this late, I was away for two weeks at MCSE bootcamp so I really haven't had much time to read the board.

Honestly unless you have fought addictions you really shouldn't open your mouth, seeing it everyday does not do it justice to actually living with it.

I use to be a huge drug addict, from 13 to 21 I put every drug I could into my body, I was trying to cover up the pain in my life caused by my fathers alcoholism and what it did to him and how he treated, or I should say mistreated me.

Through my years of drugs I watched one of my friends heart explode inside him from Coke use, I sat there and just watched him die, I was 18 at the time, do you think that swayed me off drugs, nope.

People who have not experienced a true drug addiction will never understand how hard it is to actually get out, I could sit here and use a million words but unless you have been there you will truly never understand.


I eventually found my way, and through many years I finally learned to live with the pain, I will never truly understand it all, but I have learned to live with it without taking a substance to get through. I still to this day have bad days, but whenever I feel down I put on some music or grab my guitar and it gets me through.


Like Sully said, The fact that he had his addictions does not change
that Robin was a man, and from what people say a very kind man, and no matter what he did to himself, he still deserves the respect and he did not deserve to die.

I did not get to catch the BTM for Ratt, but I caught the pantara one tonight, and it was sad. What I can say is people really have to learn to let things go, holding on to so much hate, so much resentment is not good for the soul.

Hopefully someday all the remaining members of pantara will get together and remember the good times they all had and forget the bad times. Life is about living, and it is hard to live when you hate so much.

RIP Dime and Robin, thanks for the many years of great music, thanks for making me want to play better, may you both find peace in heaven!

[VanOsbourne]

Nobody should have to die from partying or having a good time. At the time that this happened Robin probably did not know that you could get a fatal disease from sharing a needle.

That being said...

I have a hard time when people make excuses for drug addiction.

I really don't like giving out to much info about myself in this kind of discussion but I would like nothing more than to have a warehouse full of smack & crack and it still would not be enough.

I have been clean for almost two years now. But everytime I read someone making an excuse for Robin it just made me want to go get some.

Ofcourse Robin did not deserve to die.

Dont make excuses for him or anyone else. If I would have died from the many overdoses I've had and someone said I was using because of the "pain" they would be flat out wrong. Some people (most) just really like to get high.

[hippietim]

so jgcable started a nice thread about a musical icon, very cool. unfortunately the short bus showed up.