Metallica still kicks ass!!!

[Erez]

Thanks for the reviews and pics!

[VitaminG]

I was a huge fan when I was 15. I wore Metallica t-shirts with pride, I was a true rebel then

Just like all the other Metallifans?

I'm not another one of those folks who thinks that everyting is a sellout and a band has to make only evil underground music.

Just because almost everyone agrees that St Anger is a crock o' shite doesn't mean we all believe that you have to remain unsigned and underground to be good. Not everyone thinks that a band has sold out as soon as it signs to a major label either. If you loved St Anger, that's fine for you. But you don't need to adopt a holier-than-thou pose over everyone else criticising a once mighty band because of the dreck they are currently releasing

[Endrik]

hmm what's the problem Gary?

I was just replying to Ward's post "Finally another one who dares admit Metallica is still awsome live"

I haven't been a huge "Metallifan" for a couple of years but I don't abandon them because they have made a couple of crappy albums (according to most of the metal fans). I'm not going to compare Load with MOP, because it's ridiculous. Load is a great modern hard rock album, MOP is a metal classic. People who bash Load and calling it a sell-out is because they just don't like blues based hard rock. Zep, ZZ Top, ACDC etc. must be sell-outs too.

And I'm not gonna cry after the old-tallica either and blaming the metallicats for abondoning their "true fans" (my ass), first of all a band makes music for themselves not for the fans, every artist has the right to create exactly those sounds wich are matching with their emotions, otherwise it would be fake (true fans think that if the music isn't made for them then it's fake) and also changing musical direction, having some diversity and not reapeting the same riffs and licks allover again is a sign of artistic quality.

And I definetly didn't adopt holier-than-thou pose. I was reffering that I'm not another Metallica-bashing-trend follower wich a lot of metal fans seem to be lately. Just look the comments on blabbermoth. Maybe I should adopt holier-than-thou attitude, If everyone acts like an asshole, then so can I.

[nateb]

Where are all the great tunes off of St. Anger on the set list?

They were there.... St. Anger had no good tunes.

[VitaminG]

hmm what's the problem Gary?

No problem here, Endrik. No animosity here. Maybe I should've thrown some smilies in my post

I'll abandon a band if I don't like the music they're making now. I don't have to buy a bad CD out of loyalty to a band if I think they've gone sour. I stopped buying Iron Maiden stuff after Fear of the Dark. Up until that point, they were just about my favourite band ever. I got into them when Number of the Beast came out. I never accused them of selling out either. They just stopped making music that I liked. I did buy the last two albums and last few DVDs though

If the change of direction is a natural growth or evolution of the band, or the result of new members influencing the songwriting, then that's not selling out.

If the change is, as you say, because the band is making music for themselves, then that's fine. If the new direction the band takes just happen to sell, then that's fine too. Excellent, actually, because it will help fund future releases, and fans of the band don't have to worry so much that the group will eventually quit music because it's more profitable to sell insurance than play music. I'm all for Nevermore's continued musical growth and success. They make money, they make more albums for me to listen to.

Judas Priest's sound definitely changed from their formative years through to the 80s. Didn't sell out - just changed. Some people didn't like the change, some were introduced to the band because they liked the new sound. A lot of folks got off AC/DC when Brian Johnston came on board - didn't like the new sound of the band. Looking back though, AC/DC didn't really change a whole lot.

Where a band sells out is when they radically change style to follow a trend or chase the consumer's dollar. If AC/DC started copying The Donnas or The Darkness (both bands I don't mind, but distinctly more commercially viable than AC/DC these days) because that's what charting, blues rock wise. Then I would accuse them of selling out. But not because they're playing blues based hard rock.

I mean, that'd be like KISS playing disco or something. Could you possibly imagine that?!

I don't really care if people consider Metallica sellouts or not. I was never a huge fan anyway. I can still listen to their early stuff, even though I can't stand their new (Load and later) releases.

But preferring their old stuff to their new doesn't make me a trend-hopping Metallica-basher either.

anyway, I'm good with however you view folks' opinions of old vs new Tallica. I was more prompted by your comments that you were a true rebel in your Metallica shirt anyway. Seems there were a hell of a lot of rebels around back then. You all should've started a movement or something

[RacerX]

No
I mean, that'd be like KISS playing disco or something. Could you possibly imagine that?!

Yes! Both you & I did just recently

http://www.jcfonline.com/forums/show...t=55649&page=2

[Endrik]

G, yeah I agree with you, thanks for explaining, you made some good points. I don't buy albums with music wich doesn't appeal to me either. I'm a huge Motley fan but I think Generation Swine sucks ass, I don't want to own that album. But If they come out with some cool new stuff then I'm definetly gonna support it.

Anyway the word "SELLOUT" has a positive meaning in my book starting today. It's the word that is used to describe artist who are sucessful.
Hey I want to be sellout too

btw, I'm still a rebel and a misfit
I'm never gonna feel embarassed or retarded for liking certain stuff (like Metallica), there are always some groups of people with weird mentality, like they have certain criterias that you should not like some stuff and If you do then you are lower then us or some shit like that.

Anyway have a great summer guys, I'm very busy from this weekend again.

[diffrent strings]

Any setlist with Fuel is not there best setlist ever and Cliff Burton was there best bass player ever.
I saw Metallica on the Ride the lightning tour in a small club in Vancouver and they will never be that good again.

[JC_Denton]

asd

This is what you think

[VitaminG]

just to play devil's advocate, some people would suggest that a Ride The Lightning era setlist wasn't their best ever either. A lot of people's favourite songs came from AJFA, MOP or the black album.

[Chad]

Fuel followed Creeping Death? Wow, that's quite the abrupt change. If they were deadset on playing Fuel, it certainly would have fit in better elsewhere in the setlist order IMO.

[JC_Denton]

If you are there , and really into it, then the last thing you are going to care about is the order of the songs.

[AfterForever]

I just watched Metallica live @ RAR 2006. It's much much better than Metallica @ Rar 2003..

they really practiced no doubt about that.. cool setlist.. solos are slightly better. I noticed something, there is a connection between the quality of Kirk's solo and the guitar he plays.. everytime he has a les paul he messes up the solo...

[Carbophos]

ZZ Top, ACDC etc. must be sell-outs too.

The point is that ZZ, AC/DC etc do hard rock thing 1000 times better and 1000 times more original than Metallica.

[toejam]

and Cliff Burton was there best bass player ever.

Eh, I think Robert Trujillo is their best bass player. Then again, Cliff died way too young, so we'll never know what his potential could have been.