Sloppy players who kick ass

[RR0849]

I think being sloppy is part of the rock and roll lead guitar sound. You can't get the human emotion into it if You just follow the metronome and tuner. It's funny that the best singers can express themselves by staying behind tempo or going a little out of pitch for a moment but guitarists are often considered bad if they don't sound like a synth module. IMO rhythm needs to be tight and have the drive to it but when it comes to leads it should be all about expression.
For me it's a lot more difficult to name technical players who can kick ass. Jeff Waters comes to mind right away...

[Endrik]

Mick Mars is one of the tightest and most accurate rhythm players ever. He is always on and he sounds very powerfull, but when he solos, he can be very sloppy

[Endrik]

He isn't, actually. I thought so too for years, but Brad actually plays a lot of the leads on the records as well. Fucked if I can tell the difference between em though. Don't listen to 'smith as often as I used to.

The difference is huge IMO

Brad sounds WAY tighter, he has a great tone, he plays very memoriable lead lines and he has a nice vibrato.

Joe sounds verry sloppy, he is all over the place. Sometimes he plays just some random crap, but it's still cool. His tone is VERY old school, it is thin and isn't very defined but it sounds good actually. And when you hear some stuff with slide, then it's also Joe.

[Superfly]

Jimi Hendrix, SRV, most blues players I find to be pretty sloppy actually, as far as actual technique goes.

[Endrik]

I think SRV had monster chops, if he was somewhat sloppy then it was an off night for him but other than that he was the Paganini of blues.

[drockilles]

A mix of some intentional sloppiness and just plain wierd lead lines......gotta be Larry LaLonde from Primus. Les doesn't leave him a lot of room to do much else other than crazy shit. He's got some pretty sloppy death metal solos from his days back in Possessed too.

[sonicsamurai]

i nominate marty friedman - we doesn't palm mute and says in his interviews well if it makes a lot of noise and spoils my solos thats the way it is... yet he still kicks ass....johnny ramone gets my vote, as does yngwie malmsteen for just forgetting where he's going and noodling instead all the time

[donf]

Perry was awesome, but Whitford wiped the florr with his ass. I always thought Brad was a rhythm only dude, but he can solo really well. I was taken by surprise on that.

Mike

Yeah, I first noticed that in 1976. I went to Madison Sq Garden to see their Rocks album tour. Here I was waiting for Perry to do Dream On solo as well as Last Child and Back in the Saddle. Brad ended up doing all the solos, which had me scratching my head.

Brad did then well though, so I really consider him the lead. Perry has the title, probably cause he can kick Brads ass or something, so he wanted the title.

All in all, Rick Derringer was better that night

[Endrik]

i nominate marty friedman - we doesn't palm mute and says in his interviews well if it makes a lot of noise and spoils my solos thats the way it is... yet he still kicks ass....johnny ramone gets my vote, as does yngwie malmsteen for just forgetting where he's going and noodling instead all the time

you gotta be fucking kidding me :ROTF:

[cookiemonster]

john e love.....

[Grandturk]

Brad did then well though, so I really consider him the lead. Perry has the title, probably cause he can kick Brads ass or something, so he wanted the title.

People make the same mistake about the Stones - they think Keith plays lead guitar. Its always been the other guys - Taylor or Wood.

[sonicsamurai]

that i did not know

[MikeE]

I'm not an Aerosmith buff but it seems after the Pump album Brad was delegated to rhythm. I've seen interviews with Tyler and he sings the praise of Perry and his Jimmy Page style of guitar playing. I wouldn't be surprised if Tyler is responsible for Brad being moved to 2nd chair.

[MBreinin]

Brad did then well though, so I really consider him the lead. Perry has the title, probably cause he can kick Brads ass or something, so he wanted the title.

I think Brad is just more reserved and doesn't mind Joe being the show pony with his swagger and open shirts and whatnot. Joe is certainly the more "Rock and Roll" of the two of them, and rock and roll is 90% image. Let's face it, that band was all about the Bad Boy image with good solid tunes to back it up..so it makes sense from a marketing standpoint. However, guys that have seen them realize that Brad is the more solid dude in the band.

Mike

[catzodellamarina]

I think this topic is getting sloppy:drunk: What's the criteria for slop? Bad playing skills? Lack of precision & technique?
I like old skool punk like Blackflag but many of their players sounded sloppy. So when I think of slop, I think of punk guys like Greg Ginn.