New Maiden "Dance of Death" Is Rather Disappointing

[Brad]

Re: New Maiden "Dance of Death" Is Rather Disappointing

Good Eye, Good Catch Racer X!

Brad

[Number Of The Priest]

Re: New Maiden "Dance of Death" Is Rather Disappointing

Thread resurrection. [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

Originally posted by Dreamland_Rebel:
THEY PLAYED INFINATE DREAMS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! for cryin out loud!

HEY PAPA ROACH - EVER HEARD OF THAT SONG?

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I'm not aware of any parts of "Infinite Dreams" that Papa Roach is ripping off, although I am totally aware of:

-Papa Roach's "Last Resort" ripping off Maiden's "Genghis Khan"

-Papa Roach's "Blood Brothers" ripping off Maiden's "Judas Be My Guide"

-Papa Roach's "Between Angels And Insects" ripping off Maiden's "Prowler"

Anyways, they probably figure that the kids these days don't know Iron Maiden, so they just rip off Maiden riffs and pass them off as things of their own.

Well, after giving "Dance Of Death" a few listens, I rather enjoy it. For me, the standout tracks include:

-"Wildest Dreams" - I thought the video was pretty cool, and it really matches the feel and tempo of the song, although not exactly matching the subject matter.

-"Rainmaker" - KILLER video, my kind of memorable Dave solo and his super-smooth neck pickup tone.

-"Dance Of Death" - Beautiful, like "Blood Brothers" from the "Brave New World" CD. Can picture the narrator (well, Bruce...) getting seduced by the allure of the weirdos on the front of the CD sleeve. Do they remind anybody else of the weird cult-thing in Stanley Kubrick's "Eyes Wide Shut", starring Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman? Anyways, love the fast dizzy-dancing whirlwind bits thrown in there, surrendering to the evil of the dance of death. Awesome track.

-"New Frontier" - Man, I LOVE that rhythm tone about 2:47 into the song, and the chorus kicks ass. Very catchy song. Reminds me of "The Mercenary" from the "Brave New World" CD.

-"Paschendale" - I hated this song at first, but I'm starting to like it, and there's one of those cool riffs played by a single guitar in the middle of the song at about 4:40 like in "New Frontier" with a nice tone to me.

The other tracks are ho-hum, but "No More Lies", "Montsegur", and "Gates Of Tomorrow" are absolute garbage.

Overall, a good CD, I don't like it as much as "Brave New World", which to me was an almost perfect CD (only weak track there was "The Fallen Angel"). For the person who said he liked Halford's "Crucible" more than "Dance Of Death", I have to disagree... slightly.

After giving "Crucible" another listen recently, I'm growing on it more too.

[ December 02, 2003, 08:32 PM: Message edited by: Number Of The Priest ]

[Number Of The Priest]

Re: New Maiden &quot;Dance of Death&quot; Is Rather Disappointing

Wow, not a lot of time to go back to edit messages again, hmm? Oh well. I'm listening to "Age Of Innocence" right now, and I've decided that's another strong track with a fantastic middle section and vocal melody. Sounds more like a "rock" song, but very catchy and a good song. "The Journeyman" also has a fantastic sing-along chorus and this song would probably be an awesome choice if Maiden ever decided to do an acoustic set, given that this song is mostly acoustic with no solo anyways.

[VitaminG]

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ah well, one person's "rip off" is another person's tribute. In a roundabout way, Papa Roach might lead some kids to Iron Maiden [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img]

It's funny you should call No More Lies absolute garbage. I like it a lot. [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img] I actually really like DOD. Haven't listened to it enough to really embed the songs in my head - I listened to BNW repeatedly for 2 weeks to really lock those tunes in there amongst all the NOTB, POM & Powerslave songs permanently burnt into my brain, and I haven't done that with DOD yet. But there are a few stand out tracks already.

I'm liking the new Maiden a lot. I kind of went off them with the No Prayer album. I'm glad they're back.

[Number Of The Priest]

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"Powerslave"... there's an album which many think is one of their best, if not, their absolute best. After many listens, I can't seem to like the "filler" tracks on there... everything after "Losfer Words" and before "Powerslave" suck ass to my ears. Although, "2 Minutes To Midnight" and "Aces High" will always be favorites of mine, and "Powerslave" has some wicked solos. "Rime Of The Ancient Mariner" is much too long, although the middle part is fantastically done and makes you imagine being isolated in the middle of the foggy sea with those guitar volume swells. That is a good example of Maiden using their instruments to really portray atmosphere and mood.

Right now my personal favourite is "Somewhere In Time". Man, Adrian's bridge humbucker tone in his solos is absolutely wonderful. Oh yeah, and Iced Earth rips off the intro of Maiden's "The Loneliness Of The Long Distance Runner" in their end-solo of "Watching Over Me". [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img] Not to mention many other Maiden-flavored themes, riffs, and motif artwork that Iced Earth borrows.

Anyways, back to "Dance Of Death"! The "Rainmaker" video is awesome for reasons I can't explain... it just looks visually stunning to me.

Oh yeah, my brother dressed up as the "Dance Of Death" grim reaper Eddie for this past Halloween, although we can't seem to find the plastic scythe that I had from years ago...

[VitaminG]

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I totally agree about Powerslave. Some of my favourite songs on that album, but I could never get into the "other" songs. Although I think Rime is just about perfect. I'm not always up for listening to a song that long, but I wouldn't change a thing about it.

But Slave still can't surpass the overall brilliance of Beast or Piece of Mind. Those are the two benchmark Maiden albums, to my mind.

"Somewhere" was a good album too. I know a few here don't like it, but I think there are some great songs & great playing there. It got plenty of play at my place when it came out.

[Number Of The Priest]

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I still haven't heard all of "Piece Of Mind" yet since I don't own the CD yet, but what I've heard so far is obviously impressive... you know, the usual "The Trooper", "Where Eagles Dare", "Flight Of Icarus".

I also don't own "Killers" yet. I plan on getting this very soon... I'm dying for it.

Once I have these two, that completes my "quintessential" Maiden collection. All I'd need after that is "No Prayer For The Dying", the live stuff other than "Rock In Rio", the Blaze Bayley stuff, and that recent massive box set thing. But "Piece Of Mind" and "Killers" take priority.

There's not one bad song on the "Iron Maiden" CD. I was totally blown away by it... I thought it'd be all crappy quality and weird songs. "The Number Of The Beast" didn't live up to what everybody hyped up my expectations to be, but there are obviously the classic favorites on that CD.

Yeah, I'm only 20 and I only recently started buying Maiden CDs, starting a year or so ago. Before that was my whole era of MP3 downloading to get a taste of the different albums before I decided Maiden was my favorite band and deserved my hard-earned money for their CDs. [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

[Chasbo]

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I am a long time maiden fan that has pretty much hated everything between seventh son and brave new world and I have to say that DoD is an awesome album. No not every song is the greatest, but as a whole the album rocks just as good as somewhere in time. Bruce's voice is absolutly at its best, and while I am not a huge fan of Gers in general, him being there allows for Adrian to tune down on a few songs and really fatten the sound up. Speaking of Adrian, his lead work is impressive as is Dave's. Janick's always seem a bit wild and out of control to me, but I like some of the stuff he does. I do miss the galloping bass lines from Maiden's starry past, but Nicko's drumming is truely inspired. If I were to rate it against Powerslave, my all time favorite Maiden album, I would give it an 8 out of ten. Perhaps you have to be a true fan to like it that much, but regardless of what others might think, it really does appeal to me.

Chuck

[markD]

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I, too, am a long time Maiden fan. Got my first record when I was 8..."Killers." I have almost everything they have ever done, minus "Soundhouse Tapes." I find good things for each period, Di'Anno, Dickinson MK1, Bayley, Dickinson MK2. While DOD has its moments, I think "Dance of Death" is an appropriate title...Maiden is dead. The songs sound forced, Jannick (sp?)sucks, Bruce's vocals are not as good as on his solo albums, the songs are too repetitive, and the "singles" are weak. I understand Steve's influences, but new Maiden is not Genesis, and never will be. Nor is he writing the way Genesis wrote. Let Bruce go solo again, and just don't rape the Maiden name with crap. The best thing they could do is bow out gracefully...unlike Metallicock...

By the way, this is my opinion and doeas not reflect an absolute truth.

[Number Of The Priest]

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Hmm... verdict seems to be full of mixed feelings. Mostly you longtime fans hate it. But, I think I myself, being a relatively new Maiden fan (only 2 years or so since I first started listening to them), I'm being bombarded with Maiden from different eras, and each has their ups and downs. You guys probably saw a "decline" in Maiden as the years went on, but I wasn't around to live through it, so everything sounds pretty damn good to me. I'll consider myself pretty lucky! [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img]

[markD]

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Yeah, I see your point...I got "Killers" when it came out in '81. Build your collection, get all the studio albums...then listen to them in order and you'll understand some of the old fans' reactions to "Dance of Death". Also, it seems that they get sloppier each year on the road (of course that could be Janick again!!)...Listen to the live albums chronologically, and you'll hear what I mean. "Live After Death" is 1000 times tighter than "Live at Donnigton" or "A Real Live/Dead One." "Rock in Rio" is pretty sloppy in a few places but not nearly as bad as the previously mentioned platters. Also, the "Beast Over Hammersmith" (number of the beast tour) CD in the Eddie's Archive box set is pretty tight also.

[Number Of The Priest]

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Damn, and I thought "Rock In Rio" was fantastic... gotta get me "Live After Death". I've seen the videos of the show on www.ironmaiden.com and thought they were awesome. Maiden fails to disappoint! [img]graemlins/headbang.gif[/img]

[zeegler]

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Janick is a fucking clown. I swear they only keep him around for comedic value. When I saw them this year, he danced around on stage like a complete idiot. I wonder if he has any idea how stupid he looks. As for the new album, I'm not impressed. None of the songs I've heard so far have anything going for them. [img]images/icons/frown.gif[/img]

[jgcable]

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Originally posted by horns666:
Your mood while driving usually is a lot different than when your chillin' at home ...I have Car Metal and Home Metal..... [img]graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Ain't that the truth. My favorite driving song is Dr. Feelgood. I can't stand it at home though.

[Chasbo]

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Live after Death is the best live album they did, period. Not saying the others aren't good, just not as good. And having been a Maiden fan since their first album, I have to say that I still love them DoD is a good album.

Then again, when a band does a reunion and puts out an album, I try to rate it against the stuff that's out at that time, not so much against the older stuff. DoD is good, but Powerslave is great, so there is a decline in the quality of their work. Compared to crap like Creed though, there is NO COMPARISON, at all, de nada. I will listen to DoD anytime over what's available now from most bands.