Dave Mustaine OFFICIALLY done with ESP.

[VoiceX3]

Dean already does roundhorns.

Ooh, ooh, I bet it's a Samick-made line

And I like how he claims the KV1 design as his

The man's ego has its own gravitational field

The KV1 wasn't his design, but the configuration was, wasn't it??
If I'm not mistaken, wasn't the original King V 22 jumbo frets with a larger V body? (aka double Rhoads) I know the KV1 and Pro were 24 fret with smaller bodies and had the tall skinny frets.

[SouthPlatteDemon]

The world would be a much more boring place if it weren't for the music created by Dave.

He can do whatever he wants with whatever guitar manufacturer, but the black KV by Jackson will be what I will always consider as "his guitar".

[skorb]

Agreed - it's probably a "gentlemen's agreement" between FMIC & Gibby. But why do you think such an agreement might exist to begin with? It's so that their respective legal eagles are free to protect (cough...sue...cough) any other guitar manufacturer for body style "copying". i.e., The gentlemen's agreement lets FMIC and Gibby keep their respective big lion's shares of the market without beating each other up over copying each other's respective designs.

In other words, "strats are us, LPs are you, & let's f**k with anyone else who tries to muscle in on those markets". "Anyone else" being every other guitar manufacturer, most of which are so small and/or less profitible that they can't handle the legal fees of a protracted court case & appeals, let alone actually try to win it on the merits.

But the PRS case has put a dangerous knife in that approach. PRS called Gibby's legal bluff, sucked up the legal fees, and has now set the legal precedent that "looks similar" doesn't mean "copy infringement". I've got to imagine that has FMIC & Gibby thinking twice about past approaches.

That doesn't necessarily mean we'll see roundhorn Vs again. But it does make things more complicated for them.

right, but then how do you explain Dean roundhorn V's, Hamer Explorers, etc.

are there lawsuits by Gibson against those companies for those designs, of which I am unaware? and there are a millions companies that make strat body designs, right?

I'm not so sure that Gibby and Fender always go after the smaller fish that run their designs. or we'd have heard about it by now. I think Gibby went after PRS because they saw them as a real threat, big name, respected brand and lots of customer loyalty.

[shreddermon]

I'm not so sure that Gibby and Fender always go after the smaller fish that run their designs. or we'd have heard about it by now. I think Gibby went after PRS because they saw them as a real threat, big name, respected brand and lots of customer loyalty.

We're saying the same thing, dude. That's exactly what I meant by the "muscle in on those markets" reference. They don't go after small fish because they're not a real threat. But someone with big sales figures etc. - like PRS - is an actual threat to taking away a reasonably big chunk of market share. They're not going to go after the Suhrs or Hamers because they're not worth the effort. But if their sales figures ever hit the big time, watch out - any company that is a threat would be fair game.

[Sunbane]

The KV1 wasn't his design, but the configuration was, wasn't it??
If I'm not mistaken, wasn't the original King V 22 jumbo frets with a larger V body? (aka double Rhoads) I know the KV1 and Pro were 24 fret with smaller bodies and had the tall skinny frets.

The KV had the smaller body before Mustaine made his sig model. But otherwise I believe you are correct. I think the bridge type, the frets and the neck shape were results of Mustaine's preferences. The KV-1 was essentially his sig model.

[lerxstcat]

Is it me or did Megadeth start to go down the tubes when he left Jackson?

Actually he had broken up Megadeth due to his hand injury at the time he left Jackson. They downgraded his free guitars per year fro 11 to 1 and cut his pay rate, because he was no longer an active musician.

[lerxstcat]

And I like how he claims the KV1 design as his

The man's ego has its own gravitational field

No shit, I choked when I read that. I hope Robbin Crosby haunts him until he takes it back!

Hey, I wonder if it could be Gibson via the Kramer brand? That would allow him to use the KV shape if FMIC and Gibby are being gentle with each other, plus a roundhorn V would be no prob for a Gibson-owned company. Plus they could sell like hotcakes at MusicYo KIramer prices as opposed to even LTD ESP prices.

[VoiceX3]

Hey, I wonder if it could be Gibson via the Kramer brand? That would allow him to use the KV shape if FMIC and Gibby are being gentle with each other, plus a roundhorn V would be no prob for a Gibson-owned company. Plus they could sell like hotcakes at MusicYo KIramer prices as opposed to even LTD ESP prices.

I never gave Kramer a thought...do they do neck thru guitars? But I gotta argue the reasoning because if FMIC and Gibson are so gentle with each other then a roundhorn v or firebird wouldn't be impossible either.

[VitaminG]

I never gave Kramer a thought...do they do neck thru guitars? But I gotta argue the reasoning because if FMIC and Gibson are so gentle with each other then a roundhorn v or firebird wouldn't be impossible either.

yea, neckthru MusicYo Kramers are available

[Sanctuary]

I hope Robbin Crosby haunts him until he takes it back!

Technically, the King V wasn't Robbin's either...only in name.

[caesar81]

So Dave left ESP this month....

And some new KV1's ???


Any chance at all it could be Jackson or no chance do you think ?

[Sunbane]

Technically, the King V wasn't Robbin's either...only in name.

Yeah, and Dave Linsk is still alive to go and give Mustaine a whooping, isn't he?

[Norton]

It's gotta be Jackson! But I'm afraid it won't be.

[Newc]

Mustaine adopted the King V because it was the only USA made V besides the Rhoads, and no self-respecting musician wants a "Signature Signature" model

Dave's ego was too big for a "Mustaine Rhoads", so he went with the KV, which was already being produced, and already had the Kahler (which Mustaine referred to in an interview as "that tone-sucking Kahler bridge").

He may have popularized it, but he didn't invent it. Dave also did not invent the "inverted chords" he says he did (the upside-down 2-note power chords you find in Holy Wars, or Orion). Tony Iommi invented them as can be heard on several Ozzy-era Sabbath tracks.

Dave Mustaine needs a serious lesson in humility. It used to be funny but now it's just insulting that he thinks so much of himself.

[slash-ed]

I'm sure someone before Tony Iommi must have used some form of inverted chords...