OK, I hate Trivium

[lerxstcat]

I actually meant 3 but ok...
It`s
Harder and harder by P.J. Harvey
Eye Of The Beholder - Metallica
Black Sabbath - Black Sabbath (from their 1. LP called Black Sabbath)

Here˙s a cookie

Thanks!

[horns666]

I actually meant 3 but ok...
It`s
Harder and harder by P.J. Harvey
Eye Of The Beholder - Metallica
Black Sabbath - Black Sabbath (from their 1. LP called Black Sabbath)

Here˙s a cookie

I wanna Cookie too..OK I just took a bite..

Thanks!!

Das Rite..I don't care who does it..or how it's done..keep the fuggin' guitars, drums and shit in the kid's hands..

If your kid starts scratching records, slap their ass and hand them a fuggin' guitar!!

My kid is in his room playing "Heaven and Hell" as we speak..

I'd kick his fuggin' ass if he even puts his hat on backwards..and I would!!

Bill Z Bub

[lerxstcat]

Bill has a point (there, i said it ).
But honestly i don't give a f*** about what's in the mainstream or not. I mean i don't have a problem if only 5 people on this world listen to the bands i like. The music doesn't get better when more people listening to it (in fact it often gets way worse since more people = more money = more business people get involved who like to maximize profit = more mainstream music).

Yes there is far worse than Trivium out there. But that still doesn't make their music good for me. Yes you can bet that i would listen to their music way before any 50cent guy.

If other people like them, good for them. I have no problem with that. It's just not the band for me. Yep my mind works that simple.

Flo

Only thing is that 5 people can't support those bands and they'll be gone soon. A band I like a lot, Galactic Cowboys, put out a bunch of really cool records, very melodic but heavy in their way.

They had to give up their band, not because of the band not getting along. They got along fine. They just couldn't make enough money to support their families. So they split in the 90s to work day jobs. What a waste.

That's what happens when the market for a genre shrinks beyond a certain point. Suddenly, no new bands, venues to play in disappear, the whole thing dies. You want a flourishing scene with a bunch of bands who are not quite as good as YOUR band.

[Guitardude86]

You are now officially this forums cookie monster

[siggy14]

Actually Horns, Wes is a very good player, if you heard any of his stuff outside of limp you would see he can also shred. Also i think alot of his writting in limp is different and more inventive then alot of guitar players out there these days. He does some funky shit, maybe not be the hardest, but still different which is good.

I don't get you guys..

I can certainly think of more bands to whine and complain about than Trivium..

I think they're very GOOD players..not great but GOOD..

I think they should be on GW covers before the likes of Tom Morello, Wes Borland, Tremonti, Kid Rock and all those NU / RAP fuckers I could destroy in a fucking second!

Nope, those guys could shred better than anyone on this fuggin' thread, including me..I don't slam players that can play "good". I'm just man enough to admit that shit..I'm humble.

Besides, the kids love 'em..which is making them step away from the DJ table and grabbing a guitar..and I'm all for that!!

BTW who gives a fuck what guitar they play as long as the fuggin' play it good..are you guys that fuggin' gay...??

You don't hear me complain..my boy Jeff Loomis never been on a GW cover..not yet..he will be eventually IMO..I'm hoping..fuck it..it's a popularity contest, whatever is promoted heavily on headbangers ball gets on those covers..but at least these guys can actually play...after 15 years of absolutely NO shred in the mainstream and now we finally got it..and you complain..WTF???!!!

Screamo, Emo..watered down AT The Gates or Metallica..who gives a fuck..at least there is interest in virtuocity again..and kid's care about quality guitars, amps and skill again ..what we all missed and hold very dear..but yet you complain..like a little bitch with a skinned knee..

I say STFU and enjoy it while it last..because it won't be here for long..then some ebonical, anti-shred trend will come along bigger than ever..and you will be wishing for bands like Trivium again..look at the big picture man..and embrace "shred" and Rock/Metal while it's here..!!

BTW, I'm not some fuggin' devoted Trivum groupie..I got their last one..I don't even remeber what it's called..I don't give a fuck either..oh..The crusade or some shit..C'mon man get serious!

Bill Z Bub

[horns666]

Only thing is that 5 people can't support those bands and they'll be gone soon. A band I like a lot, Galactic Cowboys, put out a bunch of really cool records, very melodic but heavy in their way.

They had to give up their band, not because of the band not getting along. They got along fine. They just couldn't make enough money to support their families. So they split in the 90s to work day jobs. What a waste.

That's what happens when the market for a genre shrinks beyond a certain point. Suddenly, no new bands, venues to play in disappear, the whole thing dies. You want a flourishing scene with a bunch of bands who are not quite as good as YOUR band.

Rich, That's right..Tim Calvert was the only NM guitarist that actually gave Jeff a run for his money..he had to bail because his music wasn't paying the bills..he worked as a commercial pilot.

Tim (forbidden) is one of THE best metal players I've even known..and he's out of work..he may come back, since it's "cool" again..thanks to bands like TRIVIUM..DRAGONFORCE..COB..LOG..

Yes, we ALL know they are NOT the best players out there..but they are certainly making their mark and making others want to do the same. I been waiting for this for 15 years..so

Don't pee on my parade!

Bill Z

[Davey]

i can clearly see your point bill... but it doesnt negate the fact that those bands still suck :P
though lately i'm listening to CoB more and more.. some awesome guitar riffs laiho is commin up with

but what can you do.. it's what's hip these days. real shame, cos there are bands that deserve more recognition, but might never get it, cos they dont sound like the fad of the month, yet forgot more about songwriting, than those guys will ever know.

[horns666]

Hey Siggy, I'm not doubting you at all man..but

I'm completely happy and overwhelmed in the "shred" department. I have hundreds of cd's of bands I actually DO like..still sealed in their packages..

I keep buying more metal before I listen to what I already have..

The only music I truly LOVE or want is.. double kickin', bash beatin', banshee screamin', throat bleedin', finger rippin', dive bombin' METAL..and that's it!!!...

No other music exists nor matters to me !

Bill Z

[Guitardude86]

If Wes Borland and Tremonti are such great guitar players, why didn't they show it when their bands were so big?
Any 16-year-old with a bit of dedication to playing his or her guitar can play most, if not everything, recorded by Limp Bizkit and Creed.
I'm sorry but in my view Tremonty and Borland sold out in these band.
They had a chance to show the world how good they were and they didn't.
How the times have changed.

[Endrik]

The only thing I don't like is that modern rock music is too "white". Yes that's right. I try to explain.

I agree totally with Tommy, he doesn't listen modern music at all because there is no: larger than life frontmen (Jagger, Plant, Tyler, DLR, Coverdale), no unique and groundbraking guitar GODs (Jimi, Pagey, EVH), no big riffs that tear your head off, no hooks and no groove.

It's because today's bands are so far away from the roots, and you can feel it. The black dudes invented pretty much everything and they were very sincere.
Blues, Rhythm and Blues, Soul, Funk, Motown, Jazz etc. were the foundtation of rock music.

ALL the rock musicians from the first generations listened to that stuff, Elvis, Lennon, The Stones, Cream, Zep, Who, Sabbath etc. etc. White guys took black music and made it their own. And you can feel really feel it. Because all the old rock bands had good riffs, songs, hooks, groove etc.

The generation wich came after them were influenced of those bands/artists, of course some bands like Van Halen were fans of the roots/black music too, but most didn't listened that stuff. That generation still had good hooks, riffs and groove but it wasn't as groovy as it used to be. But still it was good stuff.

But the next generation separated itself a lot from the roots. And all the generations after that wich are now here don't have basically anything in common with the roots. Today's bands are incabable playing even the simplest groove, they don't know what groove is. Also the songwriting hook-wise lacks necessary dynamcis. Everytime I hear those new indie/alternative pop-rock bands or new metal bands, I get bored so quickly because they don't have the real dynamical tension wich makes the hooks work. And off corse the lack of groove. It's ridiculous, it drives me nuts, the same shitty stupid beat all over again, only 4ths and shit like that. People today don't know what shuffle beat is. Also there aren't any big memoriable riffs in rock ala. Jumping Jack Flash, The Immigrant Song, Paranoid, Back In Black, Running With The Devil, Lay It Down etc.

If we make a scheme

Blues - > Rock1 -> Rock2 -> Rock3 ->Rock4

While generation1 is the real deal, the generation 2 still has that magic, but generation 4 doesn't know much about generation blues or generation 1 and sucks altogether.

That's why I perfer rap and contemporary R&B over modern rock and metal because they are more into roots.

If some kid wants to know more about rock and asks me some stuff, I don't give him/her the latest Coldplay or Nickelback or U2 or Nevermore album. I'll give him Zep IV and Aerosmith's Toys In The Attick. And If he digs that stuff then I introduce him where that stuff came from..I give him Robert Johnson, Albert King, Miles Davis, James Brown etc. records.

To me good rock has the groove of funk and motown, the feel of blues, the experimenting element of jazz, the sincerenes of soul, the hooks of Beatles and the riffs of Zeppelin. It doesn't matter how soft or heavy the music is, you gotta have the roots in your music in my opinion.

All today's bands are too "white" and sound all the same. The guitar players don't have any originality and attitude. A lot of people say that the 80's rock and metal died because it was only about shredding and everyone started to sound the same. I hate to bring you the bad news but the situation right now is 20 times worse than it was in '89. At least then you could tell that Nuno sounded like Nuno and Lynch sounded like Lynch, but now, band number 1 sounds just like band number 2, 3, 4 and 50019 and everything in between and player number 3 sounds just like 4,5,6,7,8 and 687744 and everything in between.

Bill has made some of the best new metal stuff I've heard....and well he understands how to write songs, he has old school roots....he knows funk and motown....and even if he doesn't want to it's in his subconsciousness and all the stuff applies to most of the stuff he writes.

[horns666]

Davey, no matter how much anyone think bands like Trivium suck..and I'm not even going to debate or defend them..

They are bringing my kind of shred to the masses..for the first time in 15 years..not just them, ANY metal band for that matter.

If Trivium came on the scene 6-7 years ago, when there wasn't a solo anywhere in sight in the mainstream .. you may or may not feel the same way..

I think the prob is that everyone is shredding again..and they are lame in comparison to alot of players in the game...when there wasn't a game 6-7 years ago.

[Endrik]

Guitardude, you know there's a band called Alter Bridge, in creed Mark was just a beginner or something

[horns666]

E you elaborated alot of the black "Blues" and "Funk" influences ..and your completely correct..and I can Slap, Tap and Groove with the best of them on bass..which would be confirmed if John would post show my ol' vid...hint.

Ironically, I can't really play "blues" that well on guitar..I'm a shredder "hack"..I love all those old bands growing up..especially Sabbath and VH..and Frank Marino..I always liked very "firey" players..so I try to play like that.

Classical has a huge influence too..all that crazy theory, virtuocity and all that ..crazy go nuts..

I'm fast, but not disciplined or strucured like alot of players...but I make it "work".

BTW ..Thanks E..I just try to write the metal I want to hear..and I really want to get it out even if it goes nowhere ...but it'll make me happy.

Bill Z

[horns666]

Oh, I gotta go guys..have fun..

I'll be back later..

Play nice..

[Guitardude86]

Yep, I know of Alter Bridge altho I haven't heard much of them. I'll have to check them out. Tremonti must have improved tremendously, I heard he even appeared on Michael Angelo's latest album or something?
I just mean the times have changed; it seems that in the 80's the bands burst out and the guitarplayers could shred like hell ever since before they went in the studio and their first single was recorded.
Nowadays, let's face it; people don't give a flying fuck if you're a good guitar player or not. You can be the greatest shredder ever to have grazed the face of the earth, it doesn't matter - if you don't have a label willing to hype you up like "the next big thing", getting a lot of airplay and advertising you in magazines, you're pretty much screwed anyway..