The roots of shred-style playing.

[tseegert]

I don't know who all these old geezers you guys are waffling on about are, but "shred" began with Kirk Hammett on And Justice for All. I don't know if his band ever recorded anything earlier than that. Maybe a demo or something?...

:ROTF:

[Spivonious]

If thats what shred is, then Im not sure if many of the shredders are even shredders. Maybe true sredding is the guys in the trailor park who can play random notes at light speed, which most off us would never listen too. It sure doesnt describe a guy like Satch.........

I don't consider Satch a shredder. Yngwie is definitely a shredder, Petrucci is a shredder, Mustaine, Friedman, etc. all shredders.

Shredding is very fast scales/arpeggios with little to no regard for melody.

[dg]

Bad shredding may be very fast scales/arpeggios with little to no regard for melody, but there are guys who can play blindingly fast melodic stuff that makes good musical sense and serves the song by using speed in a dynamic way. Yngwie, Petrucci, & Paul Gilbert are 3 of my favorites who can do it. Loomis is becoming a favorite. Jason Becker was just scratching the surface before his illness, and probably would have been top of the heap, imo.

[TrendkillDBD]

Bad shredding may be very fast scales/arpeggios with little to no regard for melody, but there are guys who can play blindingly fast melodic stuff that makes good musical sense and serves the song by using speed in a dynamic way. Yngwie, Petrucci, & Paul Gilbert are 3 of my favorites who can do it. Loomis is becoming a favorite. Jason Becker was just scratching the surface before his illness, and probably would have been top of the heap, imo.

+1 on Loomis

[Robert Burns]

I thought everyone was going to forget "Blackmore"! Malmsteen says
he spent years wearing out the needle on a platter with Deep Purple
tunes. Was it "Cruisin' ? Something like that in 71. I seem to remember
being blown away with Akkermans Hocus, and then Blackmore, DiMeola,
And i kept wondering who was the monster player on all the Johnny
Winter albums? Rick! And good call on Scotty in the 50's. Imagine
if there would have been some Gain on his amps?

[Endrik]

the roots of shred are centuries old, the first big name shredder was Django Reinhardt

[Guitardude86]

the roots of shred are centuries old, the first big name shredder was Django Reinhardt

So sayeth the book of Endrik!

[soc_monki]

Les Paul.


just check him out

yea i forgot about Les.

and Django, and he was using only two fingers!

but if you REALLY wanna get technical...lets go back even further to Paganini, Mozart, Bach...who says you have to shred on a guitar?

[khabibissell]

Yeah, forgot Al Dimeola.

How about John Mclaughlin? Django was insane. listen to the stuff he played... with two fingers!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9JEI...related&search=

Of course, you'll have to sit through some jazz to get to it.

[mab8485]

^^^^

2:52

[Endrik]

yea i forgot about Les.

and Django, and he was using only two fingers!

but if you REALLY wanna get technical...lets go back even further to Paganini, Mozart, Bach...who says you have to shred on a guitar?

well, there were also classical and flamenco guitarists who shred from that era.

but if you wanna go WAY back, then in ancient Greek people were shredding on stringed instruments

[Endrik]

^^^^

2:52

that was nothing, you have to find his live improvisations of his tune Nuages, the most insane arpeggio shredding I've ever seen, EVER

[mab8485]

You wouldnt happen to have a link would you Endrik? Youtube doesnt bring up anything except a bunch of covers for Nuages

[Endrik]

I've never seen it on the web, I'll see if I can find some recordings of it, I know I have them somewhere.

Rosenberg brothers did an excellent version of it, I dunno if you can find it on the web, but a jazz and classical music TV station Mezzo has showed it many times.

Gypsy jazz is the hardest thing to play after flamenco, Django licks are almost impossible to play, even Mattias Eklundh said that no matter how much you practice you'll never be as good as Django.
Django's licks and arpeggios are so "out of the box" and have very odd fingerings it's insane.

[MBreinin]

Jimmie Webster had an entire style based on two handed tappping in the 1940's and 50's.

Les Paul, Django, Charlie Christian, Cedrone, LOTS of jazz guys were laying the foundations way back.

True blistering speed on an electric guitar? Guys like Uli, McLaughlin, DiMeola, Holdsworth come to mind. I think Al Dimeola may still be the fastest alternate picker in the universe..I think his picking hand may exceed the speed of sound when he gets it wound up....

Mike