The DOUBLE STANDARD

[Evol]

<SNIP> <REASON> Because you made my eyes bleed </REASON> </SNIP>

Dude,seriously,you may have a point in there somewhere,and I'm not gonna pick on you for being new and all,but damn man space that shit out so people can read it without going blind!

[Evol]

you guys are leaving out the best four lines ever written:

"she's a dancer,
a romancer,
i'm a capricorn,
and she's a cancer"

although paul may have meant that while her astrological sign may be a cancer, her attitude and outlook on life is also cancerous. hm. oh. wait. no.

evol and gary are the heroes of this thread.

C'mon and love me was such a great tune! I heard a rumor that Paul may have played the famous intro lead melody to that one? Not sure if that's correct or not.

Barring that,I think Kiss' lyrics while on the surface seem shallow and full of innuendo.However,there is much deeper meaning going on,it's pure genius,so much of it,that from time to time I like to analyze their songs and try to translate their true meanings,like so :


Kiss
"Goin Blind"
Little lady, can't you see
You're so young and so much different than I
I'm 93, you're sixteen
Can't you see I'm goin' blind
'Cause, I think I'm goin' blind
And I know how it's to be, yeah


Translation :
I'm afraid in our relationship there are some obvious differences.I'm almost a century old and there seems to be a bit of an age difference; approximately 77 years,depending on our birth months.However,I feel that I am beginning to suffer from ocular troubles that are impairing my vision,and I know it.



Kiss
"Nothin to Lose"
Before I had a baby
I didn't care anyway
I thought about the back door
I didn't know what to say
But once I got a baby
I, I tried every way
She didn't wanna do it
But she did anyway
But baby please don't refuse
You know you got nothin' to lose
You got nothin' to lose

Translation:
During the time I did not have a woman willing to do almost anything I wanted, I didn't have the passion for anal love that I have currently nor the words to explain the desire.I did ponder it though,and when I did find a partner I learned that no does not mean no and through constant badgering and guilt-trips I could manipulate her into allowing me to partake in the pleasure I was denied while alone.



Kiss
"Makin Love"

I really want her by my side
The whole night through
We do all the things that we wanna do
Well, come on baby, don't leave me sad
'Cause you're good lookin', the best I've had
Makin' love (makin' love), makin' love (makin' love)
Makin' love (makin' love) all night long
Makin' love (makin' love), makin' love (makin' love)
Makin' love (makin' love) all night
Whoo

Translation:
I want to have sex until I'm sore.REALLY sore.


Kiss
"Beth"
Beth I hear you calling
But I can't come home right now
Me and the boys are playing
And we just can't find the sound
Just a few more hours
And I'll be right home to you
I think I hear them calling
Oh Beth what can I do
Beth what can I do
You say you feel so empty
That our house just ain't our home
I'm always somewhere else
And you're always there alone
Just a few more hours
And I'll be right home to you
I think I hear them calling
Oh Beth what can I do
Beth what can I do
Beth I know you're lonely
And I hope you'll be alright
Cause me and the boys will be playing all night

Translation:
Shaddup! My music is more important than you!

[sully]

evol, it's true, paul played the first solo in c'mon and love me. he's got a few solos here and there.

[Endrik]

But since you think rock and roll has always been about image and partying,then why do you think it's changed now?

times change... people change.... trends and images change.... then old stuff comes back... and then goes away again... etc.

Luckly more bands are starting to appriciate old school rock image.

When Grunge was mainstream the musicians didn't looked like rockstars wich isn't very cool IMO. I don't have anything against their music but live I want to see something else then regular Joes.

There's only two modern day rockstars I can think of right now... M. Manson and Lenny Kravitz. The others are well.... like Dee Sinder used to say...faceless. It's nothing bad but it's booring in my opinion how the bands are today. I've allways liked bigger than life personas in music. There aren't a lot of new stadium bands these days... I hope that changes.

[VitaminG]

Some good points, NYK. I particularly like this one.

To get to the point 1) the greatest guitarist whos ever lived can't save a shitty song only make it bearable. 2) NO ERA has ever had a monopoly on great or shitty music for that matter..That will never change
Its up to everybody to find out whats good or bad for themselves.

I don't know how many times I've heard people complain that the 80s was a shitty decade for music. It was all Flock of Seagulls, keyboards, floppy haircuts & the New Romantics movement. Well sure, if you listened to the radio. I listened to some awesome music in the 80s. That's when I discovered stuff like Iron Maiden & Megadeth, Malmsteen & Gary Moore.

I have great albums in my collection from almost every decade (don't think I have anything pre-1920s). I agree that if you only listen to music that's played on the radio, any decade can be considered awesome or shit depending on your tastes & what was being played in the popular media. The 90s were awesome if you liked grunge, that's what was being played everywhere.

If you're like me, and hated grunge, you might've considered the 90s pretty awful. Unless of course you have a mind of your own and don't mind looking for good music. Rely on the radio/MTV and you're stuck listening to whatever dreck they feed you. Use your initiative and you'll find that there was awesome music being made in every decade, including this one (for those who bemoan that "they don't make music like they used to")

hey, one other point I wanted to throw out there. It seems that 80s hard rock fans tend to get separated into two camps. Those prissy boys who cried when G'n'R arrived to lay waste to preening bands who looked prettier than your sister; and the "real" rock fans who celebrated G'n'R's no-bullshit keep-it-real attitude & the death of hair metal.

I couldn't really stand either. I found the Gunner's image as contrived as the hair metal bands. That pic on the Appetite sleeve with all the Jack Daniels bottles lying about, the cigarette dangling precariously from the lip, the slack-mouthed "man, I'm fuckin' drunk" expressions. G'n'R looked like Metallica-lite. Rock fans were trading in one carefully constructed image for another. And loads of fans bought into it by the boatload.

[xenophobe]

God, this thread is really gay.

[Endrik]

G'N'R was no way causing the death of hair metal, they changed hair metal a lot though, after Appetite came out all the bands started to sound more blusier.

Motley's Dr. Feelgood sounded a lot like Aerosmith, so did Cinderella and many other bands etc.

G'N'R was street/gutter glam... like a brother genre of hair metal. Most of them played in hair bands. The sound was blusier and the image was more street. No way in the hell it was Metallica-lite, Metallica dudes were pissed of suburbian boys.
G'N'R took their image from Hanoi Rocks, Aerosmith, Punk etc. to be more street-tough. Bands like Skid Row were street too, their image was different than bands like Poison used. While Metallica had a very simple look, those "street" bands put much more effort into their image.

Bands like RATT always looked different than usual neon colored bands. They were mixture of Aerosmith and Hair-Metal look.

Motley Crue was the trendsetter most of the time. When they started they had chains, leather, pentagrams etc. like a mixture of heavy metal and punk, then everyone started copying them and they changed their look wich was more biker/Aerosmith look.

[xenophobe]

Everyone knows that grunge was death of hair metal...

Actually, all the gayness of the hair metal bands was the death of hair metal...


Oh, and Evol, you listed Anthrax as a band that weren't posers... Wow... did you ever watch or listen to anthrax? :ROTF:

[Nazgul]

I wish I had time and patience to read this whole thread .

[Endrik]

Actually, all the gayness of the hair metal bands was the death of hair metal...

gayness? they did some homosexual orgies wich caused the death of their music?

[petedz]

Why is everybody talking about clothes, hair, props, and other image related bullshit? Does anybody really give a flying fuck about that stuff?

This thread gets funnier with every post.

[xenophobe]

Cause it's the image that killed the genre...

gayness? they did some homosexual orgies wich caused the death of their music?

Perming your hair and putting on your makeup and posing in women's clothes is generally a woman's hobby... or hasn't anyone told you?

[lerxstcat]

Remember when everybody made cassette copies and passed them onto friends? The hair metal bands became copies of copies of copies and the quality degraded.

Britny Fox copied Cinderella copying Aerosmith copying the Stones, Zep and the Yardbirds. At least Aerosmith copied 3 bands!

It just became too diluted, no life in it anymore. As the talent diminished they gayed up the image even more trying to compensate.

[Endrik]

Cause it's the image that killed the genre...



Perming your hair and putting on your makeup and posing in women's clothes is generally a woman's hobby... or hasn't anyone told you?

but the bands who did that got all the girls, nothing gay about that.
super macho looking band Judas Priest..now that's gay...literally

[xenophobe]

good point.

But all of a sudden, it wasn't cool to be hair metal... it was cool to use heroin, be depressed and whine a lot...

That's when hair metal's death was imminent.