The DOUBLE STANDARD

[shobet]

She's better then I am


Not that I care, she can't write her name in the snow can she! So there

[jgcable]

I have never met a woman, in real life, that could play guitar. Not even a simple three chorder. I don't know the reason for this, although there is a certain difference in male and female musicians. The Vienna Orchestra, for example, says that they think women can no play as well as men, for which they've gotten a lot of criticism. I'm inclined to agree with this statement, though. Only on Piano have I ever heard a better female than male musician and they often lack a true legato technique, but they can put more feeling into a larghetto by Chopin, for instance, than any man I've ever heard it play. And I'm sure it's their emotional brain that gives them this advantage, whereas men have a much more logical brain, which would make a technical affair such as shreddery perhaps more of a second nature.

But for guitar? Chicks aren't just upto scratch (yet).

And sorry, 14 or not, female or not, that "Randy Rhodes" tribute was dreadfully sickening, if that is the climax of her playing since 2.5 yrs old, she must have little to average musical talent.

I agree. That girl sucks and has no business being in that magazine. Its all wow factor and marketing. It has nothing to do with chops.
I know a kid (14 year old boy) down the street from me who doesn't even take playing serious and can smoke that little girl any day of the week. How come he isn't in the magazines??
Its total bullshit. Thats why I hate the music business.

[Evol]

But for guitar? Chicks aren't just upto scratch (yet).

Watch the whole thing - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98y0Q7nLGWk and then revisit your statement.


I'm sorry but any 15 year old girl who can play Paganini in my book ,well,she's "up to scratch".


Or - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OMcw...elated&search=

Or - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQ0J1hqdcK8


Feel free to eat your words now,I don't care what orchestra says what,if they were to pass on talent such as this,their loss,but that doesnt mean it doesnt exist.


And to you guys bashing the 14 year old girl who did the Salute to Randy Rhoads. SHAME ON YOU!

Bunch of arrogant and opinionated assholes...

We should be *GLAD* there is a 14 year old,be it girl or boy who finds such amazing joy in playing the instrument and wants to play leads at that,in this day and age of rap and emo/puss rock. I have 2 daughters that play and while neither is at that level as of yet,if I heard someone saying that they suck I would kick their teeth into the back of their head.

We should be encouraging this,not telling them they suck,and aren't worthy of being in a magazine,...the girl obviously holds Randy as an influence,and if you listen close you can hear elements...small ones mind you,slides and little tiny licks that she took from his Tribute solo...and I think he would be proud that almost 30 years past his death here is a young girl that idolizes him and wants to pay him a Tribute in her own way. Sure,maybe she's playing too fast,trying to anyways for her current ability,but so did Jimmy Page,and he's been in plenty of Guitar mags. I still would be damn proud of that kid.

For you jack-offs who think it's perfectly ok to put down a kid learning to play I have two sound pieces of advice for you :

1. Never teach guitar
2. For the love of God,do NOT breed!

[Evol]

Oh,and in case someone tries to say it's only young Chinese girls that can play Paganini,here ya go

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQoh45IpWeQ&mode=related&search=

a little bit older,and cuter,and whiter girl doing one hell of a job!

[GodOfRhythm]

Evol, this clips have been on here a long time ago and I was in fact thinking of the video of Paganini's 24th when I was typing my post. It doesn't change anything for me. Like I said I've never MET (personally) a girl that could play a guitar decently to save her life and in the grand scheme of things they are still by far not upto scratch with many or most of their male counterparts. Though there is female talent to be found on these forums as well. Em's songs were just awesome and musical, for example.

And the age thing is overrated. Like I said, I wasn't trying to put the child down or anything, I simply made a realistic statement, namely: if that is all she had learned while having been playing since she was 2.5 then she really doesn't have that much talent and DEFINITLY not enough to warant an idolization in a guitar magazine. Whereas the people in the clips you posted most likely DID have talent and most likely DID put in the effort to practice rigourously. I have a nephew, 8yo, who plays classical guitar and a niece, 9 yo, who plays piano who've only both been playing for a maximum of 4 years and their playing is already heaps and bounds ahead of this RR-girl.

I don't look at age at all. But if you DO wanna go down that path, Evol, you're treading on thin ice. Because you should actually scrutinize a young person's playing more harshly than an older person starting to learn an instrument. People at a young age learn more quickly and can adapt their ears at an astounding level and make it a permanent part of their brain's processes.

In all other aspects, (young) age is a novelty factor.

And to come back to the original post/statement: if this was a 16yo boy, with a slipknot t-shirt, playing the exact same solo as a tribute to RR, people would be ripping into him like mad.

[Evol]

And to come back to the original post/statement: if this was a 16yo boy, with a slipknot t-shirt, playing the exact same solo as a tribute to RR, people would be ripping into him like mad.

Which is equally wrong. Encouragement is what they need,not everyone who picks up the instrument will be great,it's what it does for them,not anyone else.

[MBreinin]

I think since ladies are endowed with a certain orifice, men are willing to judge them on a completely different level than other men.

Personally, I feel that guitar is just the province of guys. Sorry if that sounds sexist. I really don't care to watch women play guitar, unless they are smoking hot and barely clothed while they do it. Same with most sports, I really have little interest in the WNBA, or softball...although I will watch women's tennis.

Mike

[hippietim]

Like I said I've never MET (personally) a girl that could play a guitar decently to save her life and in the grand scheme of things they are still by far not upto scratch with many or most of their male counterparts.

As a percentage of the population playing guitar that sounds about right. I've met a couple girls that could play well but not many. But if we're all being honest here, as a percentage most of the guys playing guitar suck donkey balls too. A trip to a handful of music stores will confirm that. I know I suck and I'm sure most of the people visiting this board and a good number of people posting in this thread suck too.

That 14 year old girl plays just fine for her age. I don't remember many 14 year old boys playing that good when I was that age. Another plus, her tone isn't as bad as Randy's. I'd love for those of you that are talking smack about her put up something that is better from when you were 14.

[jgcable]

Evol, this clips have been on here a long time ago and I was in fact thinking of the video of Paganini's 24th when I was typing my post. It doesn't change anything for me. Like I said I've never MET (personally) a girl that could play a guitar decently to save her life and in the grand scheme of things they are still by far not upto scratch with many or most of their male counterparts. Though there is female talent to be found on these forums as well. Em's songs were just awesome and musical, for example.

And the age thing is overrated. Like I said, I wasn't trying to put the child down or anything, I simply made a realistic statement, namely: if that is all she had learned while having been playing since she was 2.5 then she really doesn't have that much talent and DEFINITLY not enough to warant an idolization in a guitar magazine. Whereas the people in the clips you posted most likely DID have talent and most likely DID put in the effort to practice rigourously. I have a nephew, 8yo, who plays classical guitar and a niece, 9 yo, who plays piano who've only both been playing for a maximum of 4 years and their playing is already heaps and bounds ahead of this RR-girl.

I don't look at age at all. But if you DO wanna go down that path, Evol, you're treading on thin ice. Because you should actually scrutinize a young person's playing more harshly than an older person starting to learn an instrument. People at a young age learn more quickly and can adapt their ears at an astounding level and make it a permanent part of their brain's processes.

In all other aspects, (young) age is a novelty factor.

And to come back to the original post/statement: if this was a 16yo boy, with a slipknot t-shirt, playing the exact same solo as a tribute to RR, people would be ripping into him like mad.

Exactly.

[jgcable]

As a percentage of the population playing guitar that sounds about right. I've met a couple girls that could play well but not many. But if we're all being honest here, as a percentage most of the guys playing guitar suck donkey balls too. A trip to a handful of music stores will confirm that. I know I suck and I'm sure most of the people visiting this board and a good number of people posting in this thread suck too.

That 14 year old girl plays just fine for her age. I don't remember many 14 year old boys playing that good when I was that age. Another plus, her tone isn't as bad as Randy's. I'd love for those of you that are talking smack about her put up something that is better from when you were 14.

Tim, I agree with most of what you said except the last part. Back when I was 14 and playing guitar, it wasn't nearly as easy to get good high gain tone as it is now. Heck.. it was almost a secret that we all constantly tried to find the answer to. Technology back when I was 14 was an MXR Distortion + and a single channel amp with no master volume. Only the pro's had access to professional gear and professional high gain tone.
For the record.. my tone sucked at 14. My guitar playing sucked too. BUT.. remember... there were no Tabs, no computers, no internet, no modeling and alot of other things that exist today. Its very easy for a guitar player to get really good really fast with the current technology.

[Norton]

well ... I did not really want to revive this thread but for those that said Guitar Player Magazine would not do an interview with this girl I just received my July issue and sure enough she was interviewed...

just a few facts from the interview.

- started play at 2 and a half using a half size Lotus
- at 5 she was playing a full size '83 Ibanez roadster
- practices 4-6 hours a day
- Satriani 's style is her favorite
- listens mainly to Hendrix, the Allman Brothers, Reba
- owns 13 guitars
- main axe is Schecter C-1 Plus
- main amp is Vox Valvetronix
- uses .010 -.046 D'Addario strings and .88 Dunlop Tortex picks
- she has her owe studio at her parents house

oh, and for those of you looking to take lessons, she is a teacher...

I wish she could write the word "Rhoads" before she bought 13 guitars.

[hippietim]

Tim, I agree with most of what you said except the last part. Back when I was 14 and playing guitar, it wasn't nearly as easy to get good high gain tone as it is now. Heck.. it was almost a secret that we all constantly tried to find the answer to. Technology back when I was 14 was an MXR Distortion + and a single channel amp with no master volume. Only the pro's had access to professional gear and professional high gain tone.
For the record.. my tone sucked at 14. My guitar playing sucked too. BUT.. remember... there were no Tabs, no computers, no internet, no modeling and alot of other things that exist today. Its very easy for a guitar player to get really good really fast with the current technology.

I don't agree with your points here John. Randy was a pro with access to fantastic equipment and his tone was buzzy and harsh. There were a lot of guys around at his time that had way better sounding rigs.

Getting good hi-gain tone wasn't hard at all back then. Any number of cool distortion pedals from back then coupled with a JCM 800 worked great. Just like today. When I was 15 I played through an Orange amp (that I got for $150) with a DS-1 that I bought because it was also orange and a Fender Tele that I paid $175 for - the Tele was soon replaced with a '68 Les Paul that I paid $275 for. I got my Marshalls and Carvin X100B back then for 250-350 bucks used so it wasn't *that* expensive at all. I worked as a busboy and dishwasher to pay for stuff. Getting decent gear wasn't really hard at all - the stores were full of trade-ins and you didn't have to compete with everyone on the planet for used gear like you do today.

As for the tabs on the Internet and such - bah - most of the free tab sucks. That doesn't make you better anyhow. Nothing beats jamming with other folks and sitting down and working tunes out yourself. To learn stuff back then I used my mom's tape recorder that would play at half-speed. Nowadays I used Windows Media Player and play at half-speed. Rewinding is just easier.

[shredmonster]

Uh Oh this could turn into one of those never ending morphing threads that occassionally pop up on here!

[shredmonster]

I agree with John on the point that it is easier today to get good fast.

But its not only technology - guitar itself has evolved into more sophisticated playing styles and techniques.
And on top of that it is easier to communicate them via technology.
Also....
Back then you could not go take lessons from Satch or Marty Friedman like Vai or Jason Becker did because the techniques did not exist. Imagine how much you would have progressed had you had access to those guys? Or any of the shred techniques that did not exist mainstream in the 70's?

On the other side of the coin I have to agree with Tim that doing it the hard way can make you a better player.

Also, there were no VHS tapes or DVDs put out by Reb Beach, Michael Angelo, Chris Impellitterri, Paul Gilbert, etc...
The wealth of information now is just incredible.

[Evol]

My guitar playing sucked too. BUT.. remember... there were no Tabs, no computers, no internet, no modeling and alot of other things that exist today. Its very easy for a guitar player to get really good really fast with the current technology.

Technology has nothing to do with it,it's still wood,strings,frets and practice practice practice.There is no shortcut to being good,no technology will make you play better guitar,do the amps have more gain? Sure,so what? That doesnt make you play better acoustically now does it? It does not make you a better over all guitar player in any sense.

Computers? The Internet? ...hmm... Computers may help speed recording,and the internet may make for good reference materials,but beyond that is really not much difference than learning chords and scales from charts on the wall,or theory from books.

There were no tabs? OMG! Wow,that must have been a long time ago....but then again the only thing they would ever be good for is playing someone else's songs anyways,which has NOTHING to do with being a good guitar player.

It is no more easier for a guitar player to be any better than at any point in time,and no amount of technology will ever change that. There have been genius wonderkids playing since WELL before computers,etc and there will always be no matter what.