New Megadeth Video & Dave's Dean

[McD]

Actually, the nerve damage wasn't a joke. I saw it. More importanly, I would argue that Peace Sells is the best Megadeth record. Well, it's my favorite. Probably because I was there when it came out and that was the first tour I got to see them on. Rust is amazing too, as are most of Megadeth's records. You should check them out, Glen Drover is incredible and I'm sure you'd dig his playing.

well since that was my criticism, I'll respond.

it's just my opinion. I liked Peace Sells, and I liked So Far, but the Rust lineup was when Mustaine finally got it right. no one here seems to dispute that Rust is MD's best record. it's a thrash icon. and that lineup continued laying waste to the metal landscape for 10 long years until it ran it's course with Dave claiming some kind of nerve damage that took away his ability to ever play again

until

he broke up the band and then decided a year later he could (miraculously I'm sure) play again, and decided to hire 3 new guys to be Megadeth.

it's no different than Axel coming out with 4 new hired musicians (one with a fuckin cardboard bucket on his head and wearing a yellow rain slicker on stage ) and that we were supposed to buy that this was GnR.

it's lame. they aren't the same and I'm not going back. I loved Dave's music and political approach throughout the years but that "nerve damage" claim was pure fuckin BS so that he could rearrange MD to make himself more money. laaaaame.

[McD]

To make money??? Get rid of well known musicians and hire unknowns?

Exactly! One thing about Dave is that he's always done it his way regardless of the traditions. As long as it's Dave, it's Megadeth.

[skorb]

Actually, the nerve damage wasn't a joke. I saw it. More importanly, I would argue that Peace Sells is the best Megadeth record. Well, it's my favorite. Probably because I was there when it came out and that was the first tour I got to see them on. Rust is amazing too, as are most of Megadeth's records. You should check them out, Glen Drover is incredible and I'm sure you'd dig his playing.

Glen is a great player. more power to him. but he does not have the kind of feel or touch that I prefer in a lead player.

I've checked out plenty post Marty Megadeth stuff. and I don't really like any of it.

this is just one of those things for me.

so what exactly was the deal with the "nerve damage" that you saw?

[NextInLine]

it's lame. they aren't the same and I'm not going back. I loved Dave's music and political approach throughout the years but that "nerve damage" claim was pure fuckin BS so that he could rearrange MD to make himself more money. laaaaame.

I'm one of that die-hard Megadeth fans, I've always watched news about Megadeth closely, I remember those injury and recovery days really well.

We never had a proof about his injury. I mean we haven't seen him in the hospital or a doctor report or something else. But I do remember pictures of his arm put in something strange which was helping him recover. My point about his injury is that he always spoke about that when asked and never gave a cheesy answer and always gave too much detail. More than someone who didn't pass those stages can know.. And he could have made up something better if that was for catching people's attention.

As for the musicians. Marty left himself after Risk, Nick had already left even before Risk was released. And with the TWNAH line-up it never worked from what I can see. As far as junior, him making a law-suit against Dave was just silly. I don't think Dave did something wrong about junior. Dave said, in those days Megadeth wasn't active anymore they just talked on the phone 2 times total.

One thing I don't get about people judging Dave is that they always accuse him of trying to make more money / sell more records. He always told his aim is to "outsell" Metallica. So that's nothing unusual. As long as the music is good enough I don't see anything bad about someone trying to reach more people with his music

Glen is a great player. more power to him. but he does not have the kind of feel or touch that I prefer in a lead player.

I've checked out plenty post Marty Megadeth stuff. and I don't really like any of it.

I agree with you completely about Glen. He doesn't have anything special. Most of the times his soloing is meaningless. He either shreds pointlessly or tries to use some Roman or Arabic key to write something "musical?" and just ruins feeling of a song. You'll see what I mean when you listen to the new album.. And because of this I was really surprised by his lead on A tout le monde which sounds incomplete but not pointless anyway



About post Marty Megadeth stuff, they released only 2 albums. The world needs a hero and The System Has Failed.

The world needs a hero wasn't the greatest Megadeth record but had a different sound and approach and got many people into Megadeth.

The System Has Failed is one of the most important Megadeth releases for me. Everything about it was just so good. The album cover, the production, the sound, the general feeling of the record, lyrics etc. etc. The only problem about it is, you need to listen to it many times to get into it. The songs sound alike at the first time but they aren't. TSHF has some of my fav. Megadeth tunes

Although it's clear that Megadeth = Dave Mustaine if you go through the Megadeth discography carefully, you'll see that Megadeth's sound has been affected by the lead player most of the times. You can't make Youthanasia or Cryptic Writings without Marty. Those albums are %50 Marty imo While RIP and Countdown clearly has that Marty affect but not that much. TWNAH has the Pitrelli feeling. while the first records Peace Sells and Killing.. has a Poland feeling.

Again you'll see what I mean when you listen to the new album. The new album is much more a plain metal music album. Doesn't have anything special in it, I mean you can't see simple but great riffs like the ones in Countdown. And it won't be as musical as The System Has Failed or Youthanasia was. Instead it will be a heavier/faster version of The World Needs a hero. And this is just because of Drover's approach. I was sure about this before I even heard anything from the new album. And wasn't surprised when I listened to the samples like Play For Blood, Sleepwalker

Dave needs someone from a modern metal band. Who has a completely different approach. I think Dave can write some great tunes if he doesn't try to turn back to the RIP-Countdown days. Those days are long gone, that's not the music people need anymore imo. Countdown, Youthanasia, Cryptic writings. These albums were the "modern" ones along the albums released in that era. Dave should have kept doing that and release more modern stuff. TSHF was close to what I mean but not there either. This album won't even be close

[Endrik]

I think Dave needs a strong (team) songwriting partner not just a gunslinger.
The reason why Megadeth sounded great with Marty is because he wasn't just a hired-gun shredder, Marty is more about hooks and dynamics than wankery, he is not your average metal guitarists, his songwriting abilities are coming from hook oriented music like pop, punk and 70's glam rock instead of heavy metal. When he does his own shit his chord progressions sound like Sweet, Slade, Ramones, Stooges etc. instead of Judas Priest and Iron Maiden.

And I don't want Megadeth to start sounding like all the other modern metal bands, Megadeth has its own vibe and characteristics, some fresh and up-dated ideas would be great but loosing their identity would be lame.
I'd rather listen to 50 cent than Megadeth sounding like Soilwork or something like that.

[Spivonious]

Glen is a great player. more power to him. but he does not have the kind of feel or touch that I prefer in a lead player.

I've checked out plenty post Marty Megadeth stuff. and I don't really like any of it.

this is just one of those things for me.

Just to make sure you know this...the new album coming out in May will be Glen's first recorded efforts with Megadeth. TWNAH was Al Pitrelli and TSHF was Chris Poland.

I agree that the band hit their low point with Risk but they are slowly getting better. I think TSHF is their 4th best (after RIP, CTE, PS) and from what I've heard of the new album, it's even better.

The couple of times I've seen them perform with the current lineup, Glen has 99% nailed Marty's leads. Don't give up on them yet!

[jwoods986]

skorb - the Marty/Menza lineup was certainly my favorite but I have to disagree with RIP as the best album (although it does have my favorite song - Holy Wars). I think their best album is CTE. I do have to say that I've always really liked So Far,... even though it doesn't seem to get much credit. It's got some great tunes - In My Darkest Hour, Liar, Hook in Mouth. Short album though, maybe 30 minutes? Almost like an EP instead of an LP.

[Inazone]

TSHF was Chris Poland.

What I find amusing is that a lot of the naysayers who want Poland or Marty back had no idea that Chris played on that album. There was some fine, fine playing from everyone involved, and I would go so far as to say that the session bassist and drummer were as good or better than any "real" Megadeth members.

My main complaint for all of the post-Countdown albums is that they sound overproduced, and if this video is any example of the rest of the new disc, it will be more of the same. Musically, very good, but too many layered vocals for my tastes.

[blindmuddy]

More importanly, I would argue that Peace Sells is the best Megadeth record.

+1
RIP would be second for me but IMO it's the only great album done with Marty. After RIP they were good albums but not great. It was Megadeth attempting to be radio friendly. To me the System has Failed is the best thing Daves done since RIP. I'm kinda hopin the new one'll be good. At least Sleepwalker sounds good.
BTW Marty and Nick were the third set of hired gums

[sevser]

"I think Dave needs a strong (team) songwriting partner not just a gunslinger"

Glen and Shawn both write with Dave...Both are very accomplished metal musicians and writers...

Its all a matter of opinion but...Glens playing moves me way more than Marty. Marty has awe inspiring playing but to me I wasn't exciting...almost too smooth.

[toejam]

About post Marty Megadeth stuff, they released only 2 albums. The world needs a hero and The System Has Failed.

The world needs a hero wasn't the greatest Megadeth record but had a different sound and approach and got many people into Megadeth.

The System Has Failed is one of the most important Megadeth releases for me. Everything about it was just so good. The album cover, the production, the sound, the general feeling of the record, lyrics etc. etc. The only problem about it is, you need to listen to it many times to get into it. The songs sound alike at the first time but they aren't. TSHF has some of my fav. Megadeth tunes

Eh, I still can't get into TSHF all that much, I think it's kinda lame. TWNAH is much better, IMO. Then again, I prefer Cryptic Writings over CTE. RIP is my favorite, and I like everything else as well, except for Risk.

[Endrik]

"I think Dave needs a strong (team) songwriting partner not just a gunslinger"

Glen and Shawn both write with Dave...Both are very accomplished metal musicians and writers...

there's a big difference between people who write tunes and who write great tunes, I've never heard something really memoriable from those guys.... Marty is WAY more about the hooks, he is not an accomplished metal writer, he is a SONGwriter.... in many genres.... wich makes him stand out.

[sevser]

Well...Thats all a matter of opinion. The drovers write more progressive songs...Thats what I like, so this team appeals to me.

[Big D]

Although I like the original with Marty better, I like this new version alot. In fact, I like almost everything about Dave and Megadeth.


Except for the fact that he wears his religion on his sleeve now (literally).

[SLY]

Don't know if it has ever been discussed here, but I've seen an interview of Mustaine for a french guitar magazine (guitar part) in an inclosed DVD, and he says that he should have sign with Jackson after his deal with ESP, that he had a contract that was following all his conditions. He wanted to go back with Jackson and the girlfriend of Michael Schenker called him to tell that the Dean guys wanted to met him. And as they offered him more than Jackson, he went to Dean.

Too bad he didn't come back to Jackson!