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[Racerx2k]

I wouldn't consider VR metal, either. Simply Hard Rock.

[Endrik]

lol, someone calls them metal?

[Racerx2k]

Well, I'm not certain anyone did, but I DID see "metal" brought up, during this discussion.

[siggy14]

I am heavy into modern rock, indie, mainstream, you name it. But to me VR is just a crappy mix between GNR and Stone, and it gets boring after awhile.

i think to love vr u have to love modern mainstream - indoie orientated rock... i'm guessing that given the average age of the guys on this board most ppl aren't gonna be the biggest of fans...whereas i imagine most of us love the sleaze roc and glam metal scene that spawned gnr

[Endrik]

VR doesn't have the edge in their songwriting.... the new single kicks ass though.

G'N'R was great because Axl and Izzy wrote amazing songs.

DeLeo bros from STP formed Army Of Anyone with Filter's singer and DLR's drummer... now they have some great stuff.

VR is a combination of G'N'Rs and STP's secondary songwriters.

And yeah I agree that the music is pretty much GNR meets STP.

While GNR was a mix of glam rock, garage rock, punk and 70's Aerosmith-esque hard rock.... VR is pretty much the same but they have more Alternative rock feel (wich was dominant in STP) instead of hard rock.

[Endrik]

Well, I'm not certain anyone did, but I DID see "metal" brought up, during this discussion.

yeah, I made an example that the folks who listen to indie rock and the folks who listen to metal are similar in a way.... like they both seem to dissaprove debauchery rock'n'roll image and lifestyle

[Racerx2k]

yeah, I made an example that the folks who listen to indie rock and the folks who listen to metal are similar in a way.... like they both seem to dissaprove debauchery rock'n'roll image and lifestyle

I don't know about that. I seem to recall ALOT of metalheads really EMBRACING the debauchery. Decline Of The Western Civilization II comes to mind, as does Heavy Metal Parking Lot. Kiss, Crue, Ratt, those guys all made a living, and reputations, off of the backstage antics and whatnot, and I'd call them all metal.

[Endrik]

times have changed man.... I lot

if you mention about Van Halen's backstage parties to a kid with Slayer t-shit, he'll look like you escaped from a mental institution lol

Kiss, Ratt etc. are hardly concidered metal.... more like fashion rock or something eheee

[Racerx2k]

Dude.....they were metal. Not the same metal as Slayer, but metal, nontheless. Take a look at the history of metal, and you'll see LOTS of different types: Glam, thrash, speed, trash, etc.

[siggy14]

they were originaly known as glam metal or metal, where stuff like maiden etc.. where heavy metal.

now i hear people calling those 80's groups glam rock, or even classic rock. go figure.

Dude.....they were metal. Not the same metal as Slayer, but metal, nontheless. Take a look at the history of metal, and you'll see LOTS of different types: Glam, thrash, speed, trash, etc.

[Robert Burns]

I saw GNR in 93'? Cant remember...but it was a perfect night..
the sound was crystal clear, and i dont remember Slash making
one mistake! He was awesome. The whole band was great back then

[Endrik]

well Kiss has never been metal... classic rock'n'roll with great pop hooks and loud distorted guitars... they were like Raspberries on steroids but they indeed influenced a lot of metal bands... just like Alice Cooper (who did his first metal record in 2000)

hairbands usually never really sounded like metal although they were called hair metal but metal has always been dark and evil... hairbands had a lot more in common with bands like New York Dolls, Aerosmith, Sweet, Slade, Mott The Hoople, Zep, Stones etc. instead of bands like Black Sabbath, Judas Priest and Iron Maiden. They usually had those happy sounding Van Halen-ish chord progressions, a lot of sleaze and poppy-melodic hooks... and song were usually about partying and banging chicks. Nothing like metal.... instead they were continuing what The Stones did in the 60's and Zep in the 70's.

But people have different opinion of what metal is. I've noticed that folks in US toss the word metal around a lot. But in Europe where metal is born and is a lot more popular and have tons of metal "historians" around every corner.... no one calls happy or cool sounding rock bands metal. All hairbands are concidered hard rock or 80's glam rock here.

[Racerx2k]

Your gonna say Priest sounded dark and evil? Not really. One of the first heavy metal songs (and this is a debate in itself as to whether it was THEE first metal song) was Summertime Blues, by Blue Cheer. They weren't dark and evil. Sorry, but you are simply referring to a subgroup of the bigger picture that IS metal.

[Endrik]

Blue Cheer or Iron Butterfly (In-A-Gadda-Da-Vidda) or even Led Zeppelin (Communication Breakdown).... made the foundation of heavy metal... but aren't actually concidered one... Sabbath defined what metal is with more darker sound and vibe.

that being said... hairbands... I don't ever concider them metal.... hell even the members in RATT said they aren't metal. To me it's 80's hard rock.
Some Hairbands did have a lot of metal elements (like palm muted guitar riffs). Early Motley Crue had a lot of metal elements... but they also had a lot of punk in their music too. They could be easily called a punk band then.
Early RATT had some metal-ish riffs, but the later era.... hmmm can't hear any metal at all. Is Bon Jovi metal in any way?
Or what about those street-glam sleaze bands. Like G'N'R or Faster Pussycat. Zero metal in their music. Skid Row was metal when they gave out their 2nd album.
It's a subgenre under even bigger picture called ROCK. It's not necessary to but everything under the label metal. When it's hard to define something.... it's rock.
Van Halen (who are concidered classic rock or hard rock everywhere) gave birth to hair metal... while tons of hair bands were copying Van Halen's sound and some were even softer sounding than VH but still are concidered metal then it's weird as VH isn't metal.

Some folks started using the term Funk Metal. Do you hear any metal in Red Hot Chili Peppers.... um hell no. It can be easily called Funk Rock.... just as Hair Metal bands can be called Glam Rock or Hard Rock.

[Pyrogenesis]

What a boring band. Kushners old band Wasted Youth was a whole lot better. Black Daze is still a solid album.