Bands that record with scooped mids

[emperor_black]

can you guys think of bands that scoop their mids on an album or track?

I understand how it works, but I want to get a better understanding of how it sounds.

thanks

[CharvelRocker]

Anything numetal:
Slipknot
System of a Down
Disturbed
Mudvayne

I'm pretty sure John 5, Post-Justice Metallica, Godsmack, Seether, Hellyeah, among others, scoop mids as well.

[toejam]

Look no further than Metallica's And Justice For All. That album could have been great if it had mids.

[CharvelRocker]

Look no further than Metallica's And Justice For All. That album could have been great if it had mids.

Personally, I don't think they had cut them out totally guitar wise in Justice. I think it was just scaled back from Puppets, but the production on And Justice for All makes it seem like there were less mids then there were.

[toejam]

Personally, I don't think they had cut them out totally guitar wise in Justice. I think it was just scaled back from Puppets, but the production on And Justice for All makes it seem like there were less mids then there were.

James has even said they were pretty much totally scooped and his low end ate up Jason's bass frequencies. If Jason had turned up the mids on his bass and had been louder in the mix, it would have worked out.

[marcus]

James has even said they were pretty much totally scooped and his low end ate up Jason's bass frequencies. If Jason had turned up the mids on his bass and had been louder in the mix, it would have worked out.

I completely agree with this. The production values on Justice were a big step down from Puppets, and you cannot hear the bass. At least they were telling us, however subtly, that bad things were to come

[Robert Burns]

Well then...imo everyone should record without mids! I love all of these
bands..

[toejam]

Scooped mids sounds okay when you're playing by yourself, but when you mix it together with a band, it sucks.

[emperor_black]

James has even said they were pretty much totally scooped and his low end ate up Jason's bass frequencies. If Jason had turned up the mids on his bass and had been louder in the mix, it would have worked out.

Yeah, i read some article where James said that the MOP tone was obtained by lowering the mids.

However, I've been told that the justice album was recorded without Jason's bass parts. The bass parts were added later.

[toejam]

They always used to record every instrument separate anyway. Jason's bass was in there, but Lars wanted the drums louder, James wanted his guitars louder. Everything just kinda took away from Jason's bass. Not to mention Jason just doubled everything the rhythm guitar played and didn't play normal bass lines, so that didn't help either.

[blindmuddy]

Scooped mids sounds okay when you're playing by yourself, but when you mix it together with a band, it sucks.

Exactly, you just end up fighting the bass parts

[emperor_black]

They always used to record every instrument separate anyway. Jason's bass was in there, but Lars wanted the drums louder, James wanted his guitars louder. Everything just kinda took away from Jason's bass. Not to mention Jason just doubled everything the rhythm guitar played and didn't play normal bass lines, so that didn't help either.

Wow Joe, there's no limit to your knowledge about Metallica.

[toejam]

LOL Thanks. I used to worship them from about '84 and read just about everything I could on them. After like '97 or so, I stopped caring as much. Then in 2003 when St. Anger came out, I really stopped giving a shit. :ROTF:
I'm still fascinated by them and hope their work with Trujillo will turn them around, but I'm not holding my breath.

[nsubulysses]

Joe, I know you have the answer to this one. Master of Puppets they used a Mark IIC+? What did they use on Justice?

[yard dawg]

Metallicas problem back then was that Lars and James mixed it.

That album is why bands need to get over themselves and hire a good mix engineer... Engineers dont listen for guitars or bass or drums they listen to the whole recording and mix it like it should be. Musicians need to just PLAY and then shut up and let the pros mix it. Goes for live too.