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What kind of BS is this? Who said anything about writing songs? You sir are a complete dumbass. The producer has a LOT to do with the way a band and songs come out sounding.Originally posted by Endrik View Post
You want a great example of the remarkable talent of Bob Rock? Go listen to Skid Row's Slave To the Grind, killer metal CD. Then go listen to Skid Row's 3rd CD, pussified to hell by Bob Rock.
Do we even need to discuss Load/ReLoad/St.Wanker ?
Wow, just wow ! Thinking a producer doesn't effect a bands songs/sound/recordings........ dumbest thing I've read in months here.Last edited by guitarzan2; 04-17-2008, 07:02 AM.Comment
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Originally posted by guitarzan2 View PostThe biggest thing you have to remember is that the difference between those bands and Crue is personality. While those bands were sheep and would do exactly as their big name "producer" tells them, Nikki Sixx as anal as he is does things HIS way and takes suggestions into consideration, but make no arguments about it, he is in charge and thinge get done how HE wants them. In this situation I think Rock is only there as a motivator. Basically to get the best performance be it guitar or bass tracks, drums or vocals for each track laid down one by one. Keeping the focus and making sure every little nuance of the performance is just right.Originally posted by guitarzan2 View PostTransitioning from Retired Musician from cover bands to a Full time vocalist/frontman/guitarist in an original and covers band....it's been a while and this should get NASTY!
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dumbass... hmm us see who is the dumbass here.Originally posted by guitarzan2 View Post
you said bob rock sucks... he turned Metallica and Skid Row into shit..
ok let's see here
Metallica HIRED Bob Rock... he wasn't forced on the band by the record label... Bob brings out ideas... but Lars and James have the last word... blame them if they wanted to go with that direction
Subhuman Race... Skid Row had a major inside conflict... Baz wanted to go heavy ala Pantera while the rest of them wanted to go more modern alternative way... Bob did what he could to keep both sides happy (kinda... the other bands had more word because Baz wasn't involved in the writing/rehersing process)... have you heard how they started to sound when Baz left?
Bob Rock sucks... oh I see... that's why he is getting a hired and is known for some of the best produced albums...
btw. did you know that Metallica and Skid Row aren't the only bands he has produced?
you know he brought balls back into Motley Crue's sound with Dr. Feelgood... Girl was way too processed and guitars way back in the mix. On Feelgood everything is loud and in front. He went even further with the MC 94 Corabi album.... it's some of the heaviest shit ever recorded.
his suckness is so big that he was the one who tweaked John Sykes' legendary guitar tone and later produced the fucking amazing Blue Murder's debut album.
it must be so kewl to constantly bring up St. Anger... like it's the only album he ever made.... yeah fuck that brilliant shit he did with Nina Gordon, The Cult, Bryan Adams, Aerosmtih, Bon Jovi etc..... I can name St. Anger... I'm so cool
oh yeah he sucks... instead of using cheesy fucking keyboards and programming he hires a real orchestra or a horns section (like the one from Tower Of Power from example)
fucking sucker... unlike most modern "producers" who make heavy rock/metal records with their ultra cool over processed guitar sounds... tr00 drum machine like drum sounds (I think there's awfully a lot of plastic berry bucket used instead of kick drum) and the same friggin mixing preset for every friggin band (it must be cool when everyone sounds the same).... he has the balls to experiment, think outside of box and push the band... even if it takes a whole fucking year to record and mix.
he fucking sucks so much that he would be one of the first guys I would hire.
I must suck too that I don't EVER recall saying shit like "Thinking a producer doesn't effect a bands songs/sound/recordings"
just wow... where the heck you dig that up I wonder?
did my grandmother told you that????..... that fucking witch!!!! goood nooo!!! I'm gonna kill her!
btw. do you know one of the effects that Bob had on Metallica's song arrangements... it was teaching them the most simplest thing... how a rhythm section works... like the bass has to be with the drums to get some heaviness and groove.... they didn't know that before.... fucking geniuses
and with him you can't hear Kirk's shitty out of tune vibrato much
btw. you mentioned Load and ReLoad... I wonder what's the reason of suckness on those albums... the approach (Metallica wanted to do Hard Rock)... the songwriting... or the production (in that case... wich aspect of production... the vibe... sound... arrangements etc.) can't wait for your intelligent analyze.
I also like wonder how fast you would get your ass kicked if you would say "Bob Rock sucks" in front of Eddie Kramer, Bob Ezrin, David Bottrill, Mutt Lange or any other legendary producer"There is nothing more fearful than imagination without taste" - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
"To be stupid, selfish and have good health are three requirements for happiness, though if stupidity is lacking, all is lost" - Gustave FlaubertComment
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Actually, that was much better than the other link. Vince sounds like he's fucked even on the first line, like he's run a marathon, but it sounds quite good.Originally posted by guitarzan2 View Post
Mick looks like Buckethead.
Who're the other guys at the end? It fucking ROCKS at the end! I'm converted!Comment
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That live clip rocked! Vince's voice is in pretty good form there. Tommy really needs to get a bigger kick drum.
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Despite the Bob Rock production, I'm digging the new song. They've been playing it continually on the radio around here. Any YES, Bob Rock still sucks and letting him produce your CD shows some seriously bad judgement. As someone posted above, let's hope Nikki Sixx kicks his ass in line.Comment
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Eh, give me Michael Wagener or Max Norman...
Those guys know how to produce a rock record.Comment
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Without a doubt!Originally posted by Razor View Post+1!!! Add Ted Templeman (sp?) to my list too!
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The new Crue song totally kicks ass!!!
Steve Steven's playing on Exposed is some of the best hard rock guitar ever put on tape!Comment
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vince is a douche. i saw him when he was touring solo and his pudgy little washed up ass came out on stage in a jogging suit. A goddamned JOGGING SUIT!!!!! for a brief moment i thought i may have mistakenly bought tickets to sweating to the oldies live. (on a good note his drummer was the shit). oh and the tour bus smelled like onion rings and trout. (wifes friend knew the drummer so we got in) come to think of it the wifes friend kinda smelled like onion rings and trout on the way home. boy that explains a lot.Comment
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Bob Rock's produced some of my favourite albums in the history of rock. Sure he may have been a part in albums I don't listen too that much anymore like the Black album, and couldn't even get past load, but that was the direction Metallica wanted to go in.
I didn't even realise he produced Subhuman race. That would have been a shit album no matter who produced it.
Bob Rock's had a huge part in defining what I like in Rock and heavy Rock. Albums like The Cult's Sonic Temple and Beyond Good and Evil, Crue's feelgood and my pick for his best work Crue's 94 self titled, MONSTER of an album.
Let's hope the Crue can get it together for another album
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I thought they already had, with Bob Rock producing.Originally posted by thebeggar View PostLet's hope the Crue can get it together for another albumComment
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