Viv Campbell slams Gibson

[savage]

You've got to hand it to Guitar World to let that quote see print, given all the
advertising Gibson does with them!

I agree, but then again GW did not say it viv did

[Ralph E.]

Jeff Loomis..

True dat Bill.

I was talking in general and from a more commercial sense.

To me my generation of players (80's guys) built off the foundation of Page, Hendrix, Blackmore and strived to get better technically, better sounding, etc. Then came the 90's (i'm generalizing here, I realize there are exceptions) and it was like all the musicians took the short bus to school. No solos, and if there were any, they sucked. No harmonies, no melodies, no thought about what your sound was like. But hey, it's just my opinion on the downfall of songwriting and musicianship since the early 90's.

[Rupe]

To me my generation of players (80's guys) built off the foundation of Page, Hendrix, Blackmore and strived to get better technically, better sounding, etc. Then came the 90's (i'm generalizing here, I realize there are exceptions) and it was like all the musicians took the short bus to school. No solos, and if there were any, they sucked. No harmonies, no melodies, no thought about what your sound was like. But hey, it's just my opinion on the downfall of songwriting and musicianship since the early 90's.

Well stated...my thoughts exactly. Obviously there were a few exceptions like Loomis and Dime but for the most part, at least in popular music, guitar playing suffered terribly.

[horns666]

True dat Bill.

I was talking in general and from a more commercial sense.

To me my generation of players (80's guys) built off the foundation of Page, Hendrix, Blackmore and strived to get better technically, better sounding, etc. Then came the 90's (i'm generalizing here, I realize there are exceptions) and it was like all the musicians took the short bus to school. No solos, and if there were any, they sucked. No harmonies, no melodies, no thought about what your sound was like. But hey, it's just my opinion on the downfall of songwriting and musicianship since the early 90's.

Yes, we come from the same school!

[Bengal]

Dave who?

Seriously, there are NO real guitarists that came out of the 90's...

Dimebag?

I would say he "came out" of the 90's.

Just because a guitarist doesn't play solos doesn't mean they are not playing guitar. I dig solos too but for fucks sake, dudes like CC Deville and Snake Sabo and Jeff LaBar and Vinnie Vincent and That douchebag from Pretty Boy Floyd pretty much ran the solo into the ground.

Not only was the "grunge" movement against the look, it was against the sound. They wouldn't have got so popular of metal hadn't become a complete joke.

Who here thinks James Taylor is a good guitarist? I've never heard him shred.

(I can't stand James Talyor myself, just the only example I could think of)

So you slam Grohl because he doesn't play solos? Pretty fuckin' narrow look at music.

[necrotechno]

You've got to hand it to Guitar World to let that quote see print, given all the
advertising Gibson does with them!

Every issue has been an ad for something lately. EVH's new amp, Kirk's new Randall, the Fender replicas, etc. It'd be difficult not to say something against *SOMEBODY* GW was shilling for.

[Bengal]

Just finished watching it again. You chase the dragon not the butterfly Doh! Its been a while since I saw that episode. Thanks for the reminder Bengal I just made it in time to watch it

No worries! I have it on the DVR, haven't watched it yet.

[CharvelRocker]

Dimebag?

I would say he "came out" of the 90's.

Just because a guitarist doesn't play solos doesn't mean they are not playing guitar. I dig solos too but for fucks sake, dudes like CC Deville and Snake Sabo and Jeff LaBar and Vinnie Vincent and That douchebag from Pretty Boy Floyd pretty much ran the solo into the ground.

Not only was the "grunge" movement against the look, it was against the sound. They wouldn't have got so popular of metal hadn't become a complete joke.

Who here thinks James Taylor is a good guitarist? I've never heard him shred.

(I can't stand James Talyor myself, just the only example I could think of)

So you slam Grohl because he doesn't play solos? Pretty fuckin' narrow look at music.

I have to agree. A lot of 90s guitar players were also solid from a rhythm stand point. Just because you do not play solo's does not make you a throw away as a guitar player.

[Rupe]

I agree with that, but I didn't here too much rhythm playing/riff writing that I found inspiring either. A lot of it was the same old bar chord type stuff (Nirvana recycling a Boston riff for example) that we'd heard many times before...just packaged with more anger and angst and a different vocal and production style. Then there were the drop D wonders playing their single finger root/5th power chords all day long...not too inspiring to me.

That said, music is subjective and I'm sure I like my fair share of what others would consider go garbage...I don't have to respect the player to appreciate a cool song. My point is aimed at the guitar playing specifically, not the overall package.

[Bengal]

Rupe,
Just because it doesn't speak to you, doesn't mean it's not music or viable. I can't stand James Taylor, like I said before, but I'd never go so far as to say he's not a musician. (Not that you have Rupe, just making a point)

I'll admit it, I think Korn's first 3 albums were fuckin' great. No solos. No intricate guitar lines. Drop D type playing. But damn some of those breakdowns got me going. They still do. So while Munky and Head are not in the same vein as Vai and Satch, I still think they rocked hard on those 3 albums. After that, it got a bit spotty.

I also like Limp Bizcuts first album 3 Dollar Bill Y'all. I thought that had some cool shit on it.

I also like The Deftones. Some cool stuff they have done without shredding.

I also dig hed (P.E.), but that's more of a "I'll take my dick out and shove it in your face" kinda thing. (The first 2 albums are classics, IMHO)

So while they all don't come from the Hendrix, Page, Clapton school of guitarplaying doesn't mean they suck big balls. They just might not speak to you. And that's cool too.

[Rupe]

Read my post more closely...especially this part:

music is subjective and I'm sure I like my fair share of what others would consider go garbage...I don't have to respect the player to appreciate a cool song. My point is aimed at the guitar playing specifically, not the overall package.

I think that pretty much said that I do think there was viable music to be found.

Repeat: I didn't find much in the way of inspiring GUITAR PLAYING in the 90's but I still found that I liked some of the songs. I think you are essentially saying the same thing.

[Bengal]

Rupe,
I added the disclaimer after I first posted because it sounded like I was taking after you, and I'm not.

We are saying about the same thing.

[Rupe]

[roodyrocker]

No worries! I have it on the DVR, haven't watched it yet.

Sorry Bengal, I didn't realize you haven't seen it yet. Its a great episode. I think you'll love it!

[roodyrocker]

Rupe,
Just because it doesn't speak to you, doesn't mean it's not music or viable. I can't stand James Taylor, like I said before, but I'd never go so far as to say he's not a musician. (Not that you have Rupe, just making a point)

I'll admit it, I think Korn's first 3 albums were fuckin' great. No solos. No intricate guitar lines. Drop D type playing. But damn some of those breakdowns got me going. They still do. So while Munky and Head are not in the same vein as Vai and Satch, I still think they rocked hard on those 3 albums. After that, it got a bit spotty.

I also like Limp Bizcuts first album 3 Dollar Bill Y'all. I thought that had some cool shit on it.

I also like The Deftones. Some cool stuff they have done without shredding.

I also dig hed (P.E.), but that's more of a "I'll take my dick out and shove it in your face" kinda thing. (The first 2 albums are classics, IMHO)

So while they all don't come from the Hendrix, Page, Clapton school of guitarplaying doesn't mean they suck big balls. They just might not speak to you. And that's cool too.

This reminds me of something that happened a couple years ago at NAMM. I went to the Ibanez booth to meet Steve Vai and the artists scheduled to appear at the booth before him were the Korn guys (Munky and Head). When I arrived there was a line of people waiting and I didn't want to stand in line for an hour only to find out I was waiting for the Korn guys so I asked several people who the line was for and they all stated they were waiting for Vai so I stood there. As we waited for Vai to appear Munky and Head sat there twidling their sharpies as I don't recall anyone stepping up to get an autograph. It was the funniest thing in the world. Everyone there for Vai and no one for Korn guys. Now reading through this thread I'm thinking it illustrates an important point which is Vai is probably an unkown to the general masses but VERY well known among guitarists. Korn attracts the young people and my be more on current radio but they are looked down upon by the musicians. Which do you think sells more guitars for Ibanez Vai or Korn? Which would your guitar company endorse first?