Viv Campbell slams Gibson

[roodyrocker]

Rudy,
Are you serious? Really? Come on now. Really?

OK, first off, I'm a HUGE KISS fan. Have been since 1975. So I wasn't slaming Gene at all. Even though he's a corporate whore now. When did it quit being about the music? Oh yeah, when Ace and Peter left.

Second, do you really think no one will remember Nirvana in 4 decades? Really? You can't say that with a straight face. Nevermind will live forever as one of those albums that comes along every 10 years or so. It will be spoken in the same sentence as Sgt. Peppers and The Joshua Tree and Led Zepplin IV and albums like that.

Ditto to some extent on the first Korn album. They will still be remembered 40 years from now.

Funny how those grunge bands seem to be doing better than the hair metal bands. Alice In Chains is still quite good even without Layne. Pearl Jam always brings it. Dave moved to the Foo's and racked up Millions of albums sold.

And Brett Michaels had a reality show on VH1. That says it all.

I get you don't like it but you have to look at it for what it really is. Nevermind was a huge album that changed the face of music. WITH 4 NOTES! HA! That's the great part. 4 notes killed Hair Metal. Classic.

Anything Grunge in the same league as Sgt. Pepper now that is funny :ROTF:

[Bengal]

Rudy,
I think you don't remember how it went down. If you saw Smells Like Teen Spirit on Headbangers Ball for the first time, you knew something was up.

I would still bet that Korn moved waaaaaay more guitars than Vai. You stated the reason, a small percentage of guitarists buy Jems. A very small percentage. A ton of teenagers bought Ibanez 7 strings when Korn was really huge, 1997-1999. Korn started the whole 7 string movement in the late 90's. Not Vai. I remember when RG7620's were backordered for over a year but you could get a VWH in 3 weeks. I'd say that says something.

Chris Cornell could sing like any of those singers you mentioned.

I think you remember it wrong. Grunge did kill Hair Metal. Jannie Lane said it best. Something to the effect of "When we released Cherry Pie, there was this huge Cherry Pie poster behind the secretary at Epic Records. When we released Dog Eat Dog there was an Alice In Chains Dirt poster behind the secretary. We saw the writing on the wall".

Not all hair metal bands had good guitarists. That is a myth that's been perpetuated by those that rue the fall of hair metal.

I still stand by my assertion that 95% of hair metal was a fuckin' joke.

The other 5% sold themselves short.

[Bengal]

Anything Grunge in the same league as Sgt. Pepper now that is funny :ROTF:

I think you need to go back and redo the late 80's, early 90's. Don't let your bias effect your memory. HA!

I didn't say it was as good as Peppers. Hell, it's not even close in my book. But it's in the same league. An album that came out and changed the face of music. Nevermind did that. You are the only one I've ever seen try to argue that point.

Everyone else seems to get it.

[Bengal]

Here's another point about guitar sales.

Vai talked to Ibanez in the early 90's about a possible 8 string. They were hesitant because they really couldn't GIVE the Universe away. So they didn't want to do that.

The dudes from Mashuggah wanted Ibanez 8 strings. They had them build some. They dug them and wanted them to be a production model. Ibanez said "no way".

Munky heard about Mashuggahs 8 string and wanted one. He said it should be a production model. BAMM! It's a production model.

Sometimes you have to read between the lines to find the truth.

[Larz]

Not all hair metal bands had good guitarists. That is a myth that's been perpetuated by those that rue the fall of hair metal.

I totally agree with this, sure there were some notables on guitar (Demartini, Lynch, Brata, Beach) but I think the success of a hair metal band was largely dependent on their look and their vocalist and then the vocalist's three or four best friends tagged along for the ride.

I'd love to hear some in depth commentary on the guitar studio prowess from those is the know for the guitarists in like Warrant, Skid Row, Britney Fox, Trixter, Cinderella, Twisted Sister, Poison, etc. Wonder if it was a headache getting something good down on tape?

I think they are very sub-par players compared to the real 80s (and pre-80s) metal bands like Priest, Scorpions, Maiden, Metallica, Slayer and Ozzy's stable of guitarists.

[MartinBarre]

See what I mean? All bands in 1990 looked like a fucking punchline. A total joke.

Combine that look with pretty crappy music and you'll see why it was so played out that Nirvana could come along and blow them away.

Hair Metal needed to be put out of it's misery.

Come on, you're pals with the guy from Slipknot. I'd rather have hair metal than boiler suits, masks and no solos despite the fact the guys could shred like bastards but didnt for commercial reasons.
Drop the high and mighty attitude, or stop talking about punchlines and jokes. Slipknot are the biggest punchline since Limp Bizkit.

Looking at your posts a bit more, you must be having a laugh.

Poison wrote "Every Rose", maybe a poor song but I'd rather hear that than nu-metal. It's a song that'll go on for years, so good luck to Poison. Your seemingly elitist attitude is frankly bizarre.
Nu-metal (slipknot) was the hair metal for the late 90's. But it didn't have any musical skill, which hair metal did.
Nu-metal had/has fuck all going for it other than sales to stupid kids who'd soon grow out of it.

Bang on about how Poison were crap all you like, but I'll bet you people will still be having fun to their music when Slipknot are long forgotten (like, now).

[Frigo89]

I totally agree with this, sure there were some notables on guitar (Demartini, Lynch, Brata, Beach) but I think the success of a hair metal band was largely dependent on their look and their vocalist and then the vocalist's three or four best friends tagged along for the ride.

I'd love to hear some in depth commentary on the guitar studio prowess from those is the know for the guitarists in like Warrant, Skid Row, Britney Fox, Trixter, Cinderella, Twisted Sister, Poison, etc. Wonder if it was a headache getting something good down on tape?

I think they are very sub-par players compared to the real 80s (and pre-80s) metal bands like Priest, Scorpions, Maiden, Metallica, Slayer and Ozzy's stable of guitarists.

mediocre at best on guitar

Steve Brown from Trixter and (though not mentioned) Bill Leverty from Firehouse can both rip your balls off and stick'm down your throat on the G-fiddle.

Kerry King is also pretty sloppy, and I'm a Slayer fan! got like 9 albums:ROTF:

The guys in Skid Row are also more than Capable, and I can honestly tell you, the Boys from Warrant would suprise the hell out of you if you bumped into them in a guitar shop like a couple buddies of mine have

[Frigo89]

Come on, you're pals with the guy from Slipknot. I'd rather have hair metal than boiler suits, masks and no solos despite the fact the guys could shred like bastards but didnt for commercial reasons.
Drop the high and mighty attitude, or stop talking about punchlines and jokes. Slipknot are the biggest punchline since Limp Bizkit.

what is the deal with that idiot who just bangs his head on a drum for 2 hours? :ROTF:

Slipknot would sound very similar with 4 people as opposed to 9

[MartinBarre]

what is the deal with that idiot who just bangs his head on a drum for 2 hours? :ROTF:

Slipknot would sound very similar with 4 people as opposed to 9

But at least they don't wear make up. They just wear masks and boiler suits, so they must be great, whereas hair metal is shit.

[Bengal]

Martin,
You don't need to educate me on Hair Metal. I was here, I had to live through it.

Seems like you are trying to start a fight with the Slipknot talk. Nice try. I could give 2 shits about what you think of them. Forgotten? I'll get back to you when their latest album goes Platinum.

Your comments about them show you know nothing about them.

Kinda like Hair Metal. How many Hair Metal bands came from Scotland?

But me and my "elitist attitude" don't feel the need to explain shit to you. Go read a book about it. Save the discussions for those that lived it.

All I was saying was Hair Metal was sunk by 4 chords played by Curt Cobain. You hate that, don't you? That must stick in your craw like nothing else. Or else you wouldn't have posted what you did.

5% of Hair Metal bands were decent. The other 95% were crap. Guess what category Def Leppard falls into? HA! Not the one you are thinking of.

EDIT: These are songs I'd rather hear than "Every Rose" that Martin brought up.

Blind: Korn
Shoots and Ladders: Korn
Ball Tounge: Korn
Swallow: Korn
Good God: Korn
Counterfiet: Limp Bizcut
Spit It Out: Slipknot
Sic: Slipknot
People = Shit: Slipknot
Justin: Korn
Somebody Someone: Korn
It's On: Korn
The Blister Exists: Slipknot
Beware: The Deftones
My Favorite Summer: The Deftones
Freak On A Leash: Korn

Get the idea. Poison was and is a joke of a band with marginal tallent playing the State Fair Circut. (The same circut Lep is playing now) The 'Knot is headlining arenas. Makes sense to me.

Why you would use Poison to argue with is beyond me. You could have come up with WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY better examples that I might give you. Motley anyone?

But I'll say this. Just about every Nirvana hit will always chart higher than that lame Poison song. Fuckin' power ballads. Unless Paul Stanley sang them, they all fuckin' suck.

HAIR METAL SUCKED. Period. That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it.

Don't like it? Tough shit.

EDIT 2: Here's a question I'd like all you guys taking shots at me because I don't happen to like the kind of music you do to answer. Please, answer this question. I'd really like to hear your answer.

If Hair Metal is the be-all and end-all of metal, the second coming of Christ on wax, why is it that it completely disappeared after 1991? Why is that? I want to see your answers to that one. So lets hear it.

[Bengal]

what is the deal with that idiot who just bangs his head on a drum for 2 hours? :ROTF:

He's making tons of money and has a wall of platinum and gold albums.

Oh yeah, and a Grammy.

How about you?

[MartinBarre]

Martin,
You don't need to educate me on Hair Metal. I was here, I had to live through it.

Seems like you are trying to start a fight with the Slipknot talk. Nice try. I could give 2 shits about what you think of them. Forgotten? I'll get back to you when their latest album goes Platinum.

Your comments about them show you know nothing about them.

Kinda like Hair Metal. How many Hair Metal bands came from Scotland?

But me and my "elitist attitude" don't feel the need to explain shit to you. Go read a book about it. Save the discussions for those that lived it.

All I was saying was Hair Metal was sunk by 4 chords played by Curt Cobain. You hate that, don't you? That must stick in your craw like nothing else. Or else you wouldn't have posted what you did.

5% of Hair Metal bands were decent. The other 95% were crap. Guess what category Def Leppard falls into? HA! Not the one you are thinking of.

EDIT: These are songs I'd rather hear than "Every Rose" that Martin brought up.

Blind: Korn
Shoots and Ladders: Korn
Ball Tounge: Korn
Swallow: Korn
Good God: Korn
Counterfiet: Limp Bizcut
Spit It Out: Slipknot
Sic: Slipknot
People = Shit: Slipknot
Justin: Korn
Somebody Someone: Korn
It's On: Korn
The Blister Exists: Slipknot
Beware: The Deftones
My Favorite Summer: The Deftones
Freak On A Leash: Korn

Get the idea. Poison was and is a joke of a band with marginal tallent playing the State Fair Circut. (The same circut Lep is playing now) The 'Knot is headlining arenas. Makes sense to me.

Why you would use Poison to argue with is beyond me. You could have come up with WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY better examples that I might give you. Motley anyone?

But I'll say this. Just about every Nirvana hit will always chart higher than that lame Poison song. Fuckin' power ballads. Unless Paul Stanley sang them, they all fuckin' suck.

HAIR METAL SUCKED. Period. That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it.

Don't like it? Tough shit.

EDIT 2: Here's a question I'd like all you guys taking shots at me because I don't happen to like the kind of music you do to answer. Please, answer this question. I'd really like to hear your answer.

If Hair Metal is the be-all and end-all of metal, the second coming of Christ on wax, why is it that it completely disappeared after 1991? Why is that? I want to see your answers to that one. So lets hear it.

Your entire post is wrong. You are kissing your friends ass, without knowing why, and without looking at the integrity (or lack of) you display.
I'll have a bash at answering your bollocks.

You say I'm trying to start a fight, and that you dont give 2 shits about my opinion.

Why bother responding then? Clearly you do care a lot about what I said. It bothers you that people see you as a Slipknot fanboy. As it should, it would bother me too.

You say my comments show I know nothing about them. Well, wrong matey. I had a couple of their albums and the live DVD. I was a fair fan of Slipknot. I appreciate their songs. But they got old pretty quick, other than one or two songs. Don't assume I never gave them a chance, I was a FAN!

No hair metal bands came from Scotland? What's your point? We're a small country, what are you expecting? I don't get it.You want a load of hard Scotsmen to dress up like women? You thought Twisted Sister looked crazy? A Scottish hair metal band would make Twisted Sister look like fucking Pretty Boy Floyd.

You say you don't need to explain shit to me, but you spent a long post explaining a lot of shit to me. Why?

You then say Curt (sic) Cobain sticks in my craw. Well, actually, I love Nevermind, I always have. I spent a large part of my teen years playing those songs on guitar. So, well. You're full of shite there.

You then go on to list some songs you like, spelling them in an odd fashion (I assume you just can't spell correctly) and claiming they're musically more worthy than Poison.
Deftones. Slipknot. Or, as you call them, betraying your obvious affiliation (or ass kissing), "the knot". The knot? This is the band real metal fans laugh at, yes? Def Leppard at least have a history where real metal fans honoured them. Leppard made some classic metal songs.
Slipknot made some good nu-metal stuff. But nothing to come close to High N Dry.

I don't like hair metal very much at all. But it was better than fucking nu-metal. And people that defend nu-metal simply because they know some dude that plays in the band, well, it's silly. Get an opinion of your own. Like a band because they're good, not because the guitarist (who never played solos at the expense of his artistic beliefs) gave you a guitar or signed your testicles.

[MartinBarre]

He's making tons of money and has a wall of platinum and gold albums.

Oh yeah, and a Grammy.

How about you?

How about YOU?

You are riding their coat tails. It's laughable, seriously. You think they care what we say? No. Cos they're making tons of money and have a wall of gold records.
It bothers you though. Why? Laughable.

Go get a Grammy. Smack your hands off a wall or something during a nu-metal trend-fest.

[Bengal]

Martin,
You don't know anything about me.

Riding coat tails? Nope, what I got I worked my ass off for.

Fanboy? Hardly.

Friend of the guitarist? Yep.

But go back and read my posts if you want, or not.

I'm sick of debating with children who know not of what they speak.

EDIT: Remember numbnuts, you are arguing about my opinion. Don't know why you think you'll change that. It's what I think.

I love it when those forget that, I guess I'll start posting like this for the bottom half:

These are songs I'd rather hear than "Every Rose" that Martin brought up. (Please see the 3 words I'D RATHER HEAR. That implys an opinion. OPINION! GET IT?)

Blind: Korn (MY OPINION!)
Shoots and Ladders: Korn (MY OPINION!)
Ball Tounge: Korn (MY OPINION!)
Swallow: Korn (MY OPINION!)
Good God: Korn (MY OPINION!)
Counterfiet: Limp Bizcut (MY OPINION!)
Spit It Out: Slipknot (MY OPINION!)
Sic: Slipknot (MY OPINION!)
People = Shit: Slipknot (MY OPINION!)
Justin: Korn (MY OPINION!)
Somebody Someone: Korn (MY OPINION!)
It's On: Korn (MY OPINION!)
The Blister Exists: Slipknot (MY OPINION!)
Beware: The Deftones (MY OPINION!)
My Favorite Summer: The Deftones (MY OPINION!)
Freak On A Leash: Korn (MY OPINION!)

Is that better? Get it now?

Why do I bother? Because I was at work and now I'm home and the fam is out of town and I really have nothing better to do. So I guess my energy is back, we can go all night.

[Bengal]

OK, I guess since I was called out I'll go first.



Now show me yours Martin.