Viv Campbell slams Gibson

[savage]

Come on, you're pals with the guy from Slipknot. I'd rather have hair metal than boiler suits, masks and no solos despite the fact the guys could shred like bastards but didnt for commercial reasons.
Drop the high and mighty attitude, or stop talking about punchlines and jokes. Slipknot are the biggest punchline since Limp Bizkit.

Looking at your posts a bit more, you must be having a laugh.

Poison wrote "Every Rose", maybe a poor song but I'd rather hear that than nu-metal. It's a song that'll go on for years, so good luck to Poison. Your seemingly elitist attitude is frankly bizarre.
Nu-metal (slipknot) was the hair metal for the late 90's. But it didn't have any musical skill, which hair metal did.
Nu-metal had/has fuck all going for it other than sales to stupid kids who'd soon grow out of it.

Bang on about how Poison were crap all you like, but I'll bet you people will still be having fun to their music when Slipknot are long forgotten (like, now).

Dude your blasting slipknot and defending poison? :ROTF::ROTF:
sliptknot is 1,000,000 times more the real band than poison ever was regardless of record sales
poison sold records to tone deaf chicks

[Robert Burns]

By the way, Phil said the PC1s he's playing are "awesome guitars"

True...but did you see that picture of him, with Viv above? Geezus..
he looks like he's 70! Phil needs some sun, and a blood transfusion!

[Rupe]

I used to love Vivian's playing, and it is great, but I feel that Goldy and Rowan Robertson both blew poor Viv out of the water.

I know this is completely subjective and merely an opinion, but WTF are you thinking??? Goldy has done some cool stuff so I can understand that, but Robertson had a god-awful tone and played tired, "heard-it-all-before" solos...saying that he blew Viv's work "out of the water" smacks of ignorance.

As for the Slipknot vs Poison debate...get real. You can't compare the two as they are nothing alike. I will say though that it seems a bit hypocritical for someone to argue album sales as a point of validity when speaking about Grohl and then turn around and make Slipknot out to sound like a superior band to Poison...who I would guess have sold a couple more albums that the boys in jumpsuits...just sayin

[Endrik]

One thing I liked about 90's bands is that they were more rhythmical than the 80's bands... in the 80's it was all about the lead singer and guitarist.... a lot of the singers and guitarists in the 90's were horrible but they had killer rhythm sections... you know that goes for bands like Mudvayne

and there were more than grunge and nu metal... I liked a lot of the alternative things... from Jane's Addiction to Tool to Deftones... all good in my book
or funk-rock/metal movement... I Mother Earth, Faith No More, early RHCP etc.
or Industrial... or whatever

[Bengal]

As for the Slipknot vs Poison debate...get real. You can't compare the two as they are nothing alike. I will say though that it seems a bit hypocritical for someone to argue album sales as a point of validity when speaking about Grohl and then turn around and make Slipknot out to sound like a superior band to Poison...who I would guess have sold a couple more albums that the boys in jumpsuits...just sayin

Rupe,
Again, and I really don't know why I'm saying this for a third time, I wasn't the first to bring up album sales and I don't really think that it's the be-all and end-all of points of an arguement.

Someone, I'd have to go back and find out who, said that Def Lep sold more albums than Grohl. That was the original statement that got me on the albums sold thread. So I pointed out that Grohl was also part of Nirvana who has sold over 50 million albums. THAT is were the whole "albums sold" arguement came in.

I could care less how many albums a band has sold. I do think it is a watermark of somesort showing how "big" they are accross the US but that's about it.

Remember Kenny G. has sold more albums than Bob Dylan.

[Gartron]

Kinda like Hair Metal. How many Hair Metal bands came from Scotland?

How can you forget Lovefist???

If Hair Metal is the be-all and end-all of metal, the second coming of Christ on wax, why is it that it completely disappeared after 1991?

I think I'm one of the few guys that doesn't blame Grunge for this, hair metal killed Hair Metal period. Grunge was just there to fill the void, same way college bands would have done if the Hair Metal scene had collapsed in the late 80's

If you remember back to the early 90's the big bands of the time had kinda ran out of steam and their best work was behind them , also the new Hair Bands that were getting signed and touted as the next big thing were pretty derivative ( Tuff, Babylon AD etc), also the world had changed from "party, party, party" to becoming darker with AIDS being pretty prevailent in the news AND add to that the global recession..Grunge was in the right place at the right time it was the perfect sountrack to what was going on in the world but it replaced hair metal, it didn't kill it.

[Bengal]

I think I'm one of the few guys that doesn't blame Grunge for this, hair metal killed Hair Metal period. Grunge was just there to fill the void, same way college bands would have done if the Hair Metal scene had collapsed in the late 80's

If you remember back to the early 90's the big bands of the time had kinda ran out of steam and their best work was behind them , also the new Hair Bands that were getting signed and touted as the next big thing were pretty derivative ( Tuff, Babylon AD etc), also the world had changed from "party, party, party" to becoming darker with AIDS being pretty prevailent in the news AND add to that the global recession..Grunge was in the right place at the right time it was the perfect sountrack to what was going on in the world but it replaced hair metal, it didn't kill it.

That's a good point. I guess it's all how you look at it.

From where I was in 1991, it sure seemed like grunge killed it. Record companies were still signing Hair Metal bands when Nirvana was starting to make a huge impact.

Course that could be blamed on the record companies who really don't know what the public wants.

In that same vein the public killed Hair Metal too. Which is true, the public got sick of the bands like you mentioned and Pretty Boy Floyd and all that shit. All image, no substance.

If there was a Hair Metal band that was putting out quality material, maybe it could have been extended a bit. But there wasn't.

The youth of the 90's sure as shit were not going to hitch their wagon to Poison or Def Leppard. They wanted something new.

So there were many factors that killed Hair Metal. Maybe saying grunge killed it is ignoring the other factors. But it fits.

Kids wanted a new sound. Some bands wanted to play a different style of music and wear different cloths. The "Party" atmosphere got played out. And there was grunge to fill in that void.

[Bengal]

Who the hell is Lovefist?

[Ralph E.]

Nothing "killed" anything. There are still a bunch of great bands and albums out there, you just have to look harder these days. The new Marcello/Vestry is absolutely stunning, for example.

Every generation looks to define itself, to be different. Did "hair metal" kill "classic rock"? No one ever says that, but technically the 80's had a different sound than the 70's, which had a different sound than the 60's etc.

At the time the younger generation grabbed onto the grunge stuff for some reason. That was their defining music. They also brought us flip-flops and made no effort to look any good in public. Do I like that? No. Is there anything I can do about it? No. It is what it is.

Marketing and money drive the music industry today more than ever. Look at American Idol, imo the biggest joke ever. Yet they make a boatload off of getting the american public (who love to be told what is "hot" instead of thinking for themselves) involved, and literally creating superstars.

[Bengal]

Ralph,
Saying "grunge killed Hair Metal" is just easier than saying, "Well there were several socio-economic and social issues that fueled the downfall of Hair Metal. There was the..."

Grunge killed Hair Metal. Sums it up in 4 words. Anyone with a brain knows there were more issues under the surface.

Yes, Motley Crue killed Kansas.

Mr. Roboto killed Styx. That was their own doing.

But where is the next movement? The 90's came and went. Here we are in the latter part of the 00's and still no musical revolution. Where is it? What's up with that?

See, it's still the music that helps drive the change.

[Ralph E.]

But where is the next movement? The 90's came and went. Here we are in the latter part of the 00's and still no musical revolution. Where is it? What's up with that?

See, it's still the music that helps drive the change.

Holy shit, we finally agree on something.

I think in a way that American Idol was/is (seems to be slowing up a bit) the latest revolution. Creating a superstar with the public's help, therefor pretty much ensuring financial success when the records/tour start happening.

Other than that, I don't know what is next...

I just hope that it's fun stuff. But given the current climate here in America, and the bleak future, I don't think it'll head that way.

[Bengal]

Ralph,
You might be on to something. It may be the American Idol phenomenon that is making the music scene so stale. But it's not really a revolution, it's more like shoveling slurry to the masses.

Nirvana was a revolution. Motley Crue was a revolution. Those bands took what came before them and pissed all over it. They had a ballsy swagger to them. They didn't give a shit about the masses, they did what they did and the public followed.

There is no band on the horizon that seems to be doing that.

Or maybe music is played out. I don't think so, I just think the record companies don't have enough balls to sign someone different.

[Endrik]

But where is the next movement? The 90's came and went. Here we are in the latter part of the 00's and still no musical revolution. Where is it? What's up with that?

See, it's still the music that helps drive the change.

there wont be anything..... everything has been done... there hasn't been anything new at least 10 years.... all we can hope for is good songs and great attitude... people who say "we sound like nothing you ever heard before" just make me laugh

[Ralph E.]

I kinda agree with that. It's all been done.

That doesn't bother me though, I could listen to countless early VH-style tunes (for example) if VH was still cranking them out like that.

I don't need original, I need good vocals, good musicianship, and good songwriting.

What "style" the music is obviously is subjective. For me, it is and always will be 80's hard rock/metal.

[442w30]

But where is the next movement? The 90's came and went. Here we are in the latter part of the 00's and still no musical revolution. Where is it? What's up with that?

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