Fuck yes, Jeff Loomis!

[Jacksons Shred]

Some of Jeff's solo stuff highlights..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p31K5zwooo4&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QoOSaTD7ysk&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0qWYpfG5Go&feature=related

Wow, there's a shitload of new Young Guitar lessons w/ Jeff ..some of the vid/aud is outta synch. Check 'em out!! Finally, Jeff shows how to do the River Drgon solo right..there's only about 1000 dudes trying that one.

His solo for the River Dragon is prety much his trademark Diminished Sweep w/ Chromatics, that was definitely based off Marty and Jasons lick which is somewhat similar. The licks awesome though. Ah shit...You probably already know that..But to anyone that doesn't!

[horns666]

Some of Jeff's solo stuff highlights..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p31K5zwooo4&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QoOSaTD7ysk&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0qWYpfG5Go&feature=related

Wow, there's a shitload of new Young Guitar lessons w/ Jeff ..some of the vid/aud is outta synch. Check 'em out!! Finally, Jeff shows how to do the River Drgon solo right..there's only about 1000 dudes trying that one.

[Endrik]

I'm still waiting for the new generation of classically influenced guitar players who would play something other than the overdone baroque based neo-classical meedley meedley.
I was never a big fan of baroque composers and therefore don't really care about that kind of guitar playing much either (except for a couple of dudes).
I'm waiting for folks who are Debussys, Rodrigos, Varéses or Sibeliuses on the guitar.

Players who use(d) melodies not based on classical music but something else have sounded much more appealing and interesting to me.... like Jeff Beck with Bulgarian melodies... Gary Moore with Irish.... Tak Matsumoto with Japanese etc. Classical influenced players have been stuck in a small circle or a box for too long... classical music has a lot more to offer... I'm hoping that those boundaries will be broken.

[horns666]

Well shit Troy..how am I supposed work with that?

You have ALL the NM discs..ainthatabitch.

This is the first time I heard this song..I don't like it at all!!! But Jeff's guest solo sounds ok..w/ Marty Freidman ..http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_g4KXF1rxQ

[Endrik]

YEP!!!..do you know I didn't know that was keys at first. So I learned that part on bass when we used to play it...man, that a long time ago!

I spewed honey!!!

yeah bro... it's kinda funny because tons of great bass players used to copy Stevie Wonder's keyboard lines.... his left hand patterns are some of the greatest bass grooves ever... and when you are using a Clavinet, Rhodes or Wurlitzer it does sound more like a bass or a guitar.

[thetroy]

Ahhh I understand the bass/groove connection. But you do not know Jeff's entire body of work..just some songs here and there. This is obvious. I want you to do something for me. Since I know EVERYTHING Jeff has ever done..Give me an example of a song you LOVE by your favorite player..Then I will post a song, But I want you to listen to the song at least once a day or every other day. It'll have hooks so it won't take long to grab you..

Do you want radio friendly, heavy as fuck, psychodelic, metal with solos to rip your head of..anything at all.

Let me introduce you to Jeff and Nevermore. Give it a shot.

Yngwie..I love that fuck..but not very diverse is he. He's kinda like neo-classical AC/DC..and a style he did not invent at all. As I proved in the Yngwie thread.

I have all of the Nevermore discs and have tried listening to DHIADW and TGE in particular dozens of times. I had Zero Phase Order as the sole CD in my car for about a month. I'm just not into heavy stuff. My favorite songs are The Heart Collector and River Dragon Has Come (mainly just from the second half of the solo to the end). I also like most of Zero Phase more than anything by Nevermore, but I still don't like the rhythm playing.

What I would like to hear more of as far as instrumental guitar that, as far as I know, nobody has done much with is more in the vein of Cacophony's track Speed Metal Symphony. They actually used some counterpoint and it RULES. Nobody else does that - there's a lead and maybe it's harmonized and there's a rhythm.

My top few "neo-classical shred" songs in no particular order:
Speed Metal Symphony
Altitudes
Icarus' Dream Suite op. 4

[horns666]

yeah dude, that tune is the textbook example how keyboards should be used in rock... no cheesy sounding synths but a fucking Clavinet grooving along with the rhythm section.... just like Stevie Wonder did.

YEP!!!..do you know I didn't know that was keys at first. So I learned that part on bass when we used to play it...man, that a long time ago!

I spewed honey!!!

[Endrik]

E ..I played THE SCREAM to death in my corvette.."Tell me why"..whatta fuggin' groove!!

yeah dude, that tune is the textbook example how keyboards should be used in rock... no cheesy sounding synths but a fucking Clavinet grooving along with the rhythm section.... just like Stevie Wonder did.

[horns666]

Ohhh Boy...I'm gonna spew again..I may have to continue this tomorrow!! ..oooh nooo..

[horns666]

BTW... Bill knows metal guitar playing. I am going to start studying Loomis to see what I am missing.

E ..I played THE SCREAM to death in my corvette.."Tell me why"..whatta fuggin' groove!!

Thanks John..Hey, man can I point you in the right direction. I want it to make a good first impression on you.

@ JS..This kid is cool.. He already knows all the players!! Not many 17 year old even know who Eddie Van Halen is..or fuggin' Jimmy Page!

[Jacksons Shred]

one player with neo-classical shredding backround I really like is Bruce Bouillet... not in Racer X... but in The Scream... now that was some great nasty rock'n'roll made with giant balls and swagger...and tons of groove ... I like him a lot more than Paul Gilbert... whose clone Bruce was at first.

My new guitar teacher is in Bruce Bouillet's band.. My old guitar teacher/friend is now in Abysmal Dawn.

Small world, eh?

[Endrik]

one player with neo-classical shredding backround I really like is Bruce Bouillet... not in Racer X... but in The Scream... now that was some great nasty rock'n'roll made with giant balls and swagger...and tons of groove ... I like him a lot more than Paul Gilbert... whose clone Bruce was at first.

[horns666]

The only reason I like guys like Loomis less than a Jason Becker or Yngwie is because I prefer melody-oriented material to groove-oriented material when it comes to metal. Bill you're a bassist so it makes sense that you would be more into it than most of us here.

Ahhh I understand the bass/groove connection. But you do not know Jeff's entire body of work..just some songs here and there. This is obvious. I want you to do something for me. Since I know EVERYTHING Jeff has ever done..Give me an example of a song you LOVE by your favorite player..Then I will post a song, But I want you to listen to the song at least once a day or every other day. It'll have hooks so it won't take long to grab you..

Do you want radio friendly, heavy as fuck, psychodelic, metal with solos to rip your head of..anything at all.

Let me introduce you to Jeff and Nevermore. Give it a shot.

Yngwie..I love that fuck..but not very diverse is he. He's kinda like neo-classical AC/DC..and a style he did not invent at all. As I proved in the Yngwie thread.

[Jacksons Shred]

I love these arguments, very entertaining. The bottom line is one guitar player may speak and hit that special spot in one person and not the other, and people will argue til they are blue in the face about who is better. B.S. the bottom line is really there is no better then other, it is how the listener percieves, technique, tone, and even there preferred taste of music. Honestly does Loomis tear up a guitar, FUCK YES, does Satch FUCK YES, along with a million players out there. It is how the individual hears it, not worth comparing genre's, players, or even dick size over. Appreciate that guitar playing is good again and look for the future.

You're 100% right, and I actually feel stupid for getting so defensive over someone's playing I like a lot, and in my determination to prove my point and their arrogance, I just showed myself as ignorant.

Ah, kids these days... no respect for anything. You see what you did to this guy by blowing smoke up this guys ass because he can play a few fast licks? A guy by the name of Word comes to mind... but I digress.

Since you're wondering what stuff I like, let me show you a few guys that combine great technique with emotion and melody. Maybe you'll learn something!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rmn5cJLmcZ4&feature=related

Notice how Tony builds a melody (a technical one even!), then lets loose. Even then, he keeps it pretty tasteful.

Probably my favorite tune from Macalpine. Again, you notice the repeating motif... wow... a song!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z56E-_HQkPI&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgY_w6M6Fnc

Something old school, but Micheal is great. You have to sit through the song a bit (solo starts at 3:30), but there is an extended solo section that is fantastic. You can learn tons about guitar by listening to Schenker's playing in UFO as well as his solo work. Clean technique, perfect bends, vibrato, dyanmics (notice how he works the volume knob of the guitar) and melody... what more could you ask for? Keep in mind, he's not using any outboard gear (stomps, racks, or multi channel amps)... just a cranked plexi and a wah. I figure you won't dig this, but do yourself a favor and check out Schenker solo and his work with UFO.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sj3ec2cCaJw

Early Malmsteen (he's in Alcatrazz here), before he got too carried away with the noodling (he seems to overplay a bit to me these days). In the early 80's, he still wore his Blackmore/Uli Roth influences on his sleeve, and was a better player in alot of ways IMO.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5e5072S-hBg

Great performance by one of the masters. Now you know where Yngwie got his style from!

I've seen all those video's a million times each, and I'm sorry, but Yngwie is nowhere near as melodic as Becker, and Tony's playing I don't like as much as Becker's.. Uli is the man though, I will be seeing him live soon.. Also, I wasn't wondering what music you liked, but I'm glad you shared.

Btw: Bill, I'm 17, and there are tons of people here on the board that dominate me at guitar, I have much, much much much much much much, to learn. You are the true Metal Master bud. Everyone bow down.

[paige]

Bill you don't know me because I only feel the need to speak when I have a valid point. Don't get me wrong, I have a bunch of nevermore, I just don't care for the vocals. That is why I said I have been waiting for a Loomis solo c.d. Great guitar, even better rhythm's, but I have to be in the mood, like I said. Some body that love's ALL music like I do will understand, right?