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  • Steve, guys.. its a good balance of both. Technically he's amazing for a kid playing for two years, Just like Jeff, Jason, Marty, Paul Gilber ectt..so his natural abilty is blatant and amazing!. But you and I we are song oriented. Writing songs is my specialty. I've always had my finger on the pulse on metal and never let it go. I've kept up , so to speak and knew what was going on in the scene. My creativity to songcraft comes natural, and without much effort. Thanks to the heavy hitters that inspired me that went under the radar in the last 15+ years, Like Jeff Loomis. Everyone who wants to bag on Loomis is guys that never let go of the 80's and prolly never seen the man up close and personal..I did 13 times since '96. I told he was going to be somebody if he didn't get discouraged , and as good as anyone in '96/'97/'98/'99'/'00/'001/'02 He always told me "Bill, you're crazy". He wouldn't tell me that today, but I wonder if he remembers me insisting that all those years. Hey, man..I'm not ragging on any of you guys and have assisted and gave good advise, opinions to those that were writing a metal song, when trying not dated. Fortunately the whole dated "retro" thing is back..but even that is a trend. Once upon a time I listened to nothing but VH, Dokken, Savatage and Ratt..and I wrote like that. You are what you eat. I've moved on a long time ago..if some of you wish to keep it where's it comfy that's cool. Jeff Loomis broke me out of that mold...players like Andy Timmons..he's a throwback, he's great..but nothing groundbreaking, fresh, and nothing Greg Howe hasn't done better years ago. There is two players I admired that have my police bade..Satch, who wore it on his strap for a while...and Tim Calvert (Nevermore) ..Jeff would have got it, but Tim asked for it first.

    This place is so STUCK in the 80's..its unbelivable. Newsflash... Metal never died..shred never died..it went underground that whole time and evolved. When it surfaced again and started getting more and more attention in 2004..it came back with a vengeance. Players took from the old masters and ran with it..leaving those masters in the dust. I'm not talking about these metal boy bands like Trivium and shit.

    You can ask Cleveland Metal..who is an amazing guitarist..but bands like Nevermore, Arch Enemy, Soiwork, At The Gates and such wasn't his language at that time. Yngwie, Savatage, Slayer, Van Halen ect were...its what's he knew. So we had to split because of musical direction and differences around 2002. In hindsight he tells everyone I forcasted what became the style of modern metal. That's because I knew about it and aiming for it as it was evolving. He said I was a "visonary"..No, I just knew what was going on in metal. I didn't know it was going to hit with like it did..but bands like Lamb Of God beat us to the punch while we were bickering over a year on style direction..which was like old school/new school. He loves it now..but didn't "get it" at the time..that's my point.

    I took him to see Arch Enemey in early 2002. He thought they sucked. I begged him to come away from the bar and see Jeff Loomis while playing on stage around 2000..he wasn't interested. Now he is..big time. Now he can play that stuff pretty well. See..You guys are now what John was then..he's my bro..but that's exactly what it is.

    Nevermore's DVD is out..I suggest watching it. That is what metal elvolved to. Not the new Metallica..which is lame and a pathetic shadow of what they were. But what they were then couldn't keep up whith these bands now..take my word for it. Fuck that, take their word for it..Kirk is shocked what these bands are doing today..and he is cool enough to be humble and pass the torch.

    OK, I said my piece. Nothing else to share really..either you get it or you don't..its' not all about Jeff Loomis or Nevermore. Besides Jeff Loomis obvioiusly listened to and liked my demo..a quick listen to the first song makes that pretty obvious. Which is such a fucking honor to me!!

    So, I don't have to defend and damn thing..Jeff Loomis doesn't need that. If it's not painfully obvious to people..its over their heads..plain and simple.

    Go everyone who doesn't "get it" can go back to all the Jake E lee, George Lynch, Vitto Brata, Paul Gilbert, Warren D, Eddie, Randy, and Metallica and ect threads and leave with some dignity.
    "Bill, Smoke a Bowl and Crank Van Halen I, Life is better when I do that"
    Donnie Swanstrom 01/25/06..miss ya!

    "Well, your friend would have Bell's Palsy, which is a facial paralysis, not "Balls Pelsy" like we're joking about here." Toejam's attempt at sensitivity.

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    • I don't think that Loomis is that amazing or innovative either. He is entirely to meedley meedley for me.
      Regarding the last 15 years... there really hasn't been any new stand out players that have done anything that hasn't already been done in the 80's.

      Back in the day... guys like Macalpine, Malmsteen, Roth, Schenker, Rhoads, Van Halen... before them there were guys like Iommi, Frehely, Page, Dimeola, Beck, Clapton.... before them there were guys like Glen Campbell, Roy Clark, the original guitarist from Chicago who commited suicide, the guitar player in Bill Haley and the Comets, Rick Derringer, Les Paul. These players are the true stand outs.

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      • Originally posted by jgcable View Post
        the original guitarist from Chicago who commited suicide
        That would be Terry Kath. That dude had some incredible chops for the time period.
        "POOP"

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        • Originally posted by SEEGERMANY View Post
          That would be Terry Kath. That dude had some incredible chops for the time period.
          He was my inspiration to pick up the guitar. At the time.. I didn't even know that solo was actually a guitar. I was a classical pianist back when I was really young.

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          • I've never thought of Loomis as a meedley meedley player. He's very fast and often plays a lot of notes, but he has always made me think of a Be-Bop horn player. It's not about the number of notes streaming by, it's about the melodic contours he creates with those notes.

            There are plenty of guys who'll do the sweep/sweep/sweep/tap-slide/whatever thing with incredible facility and technique, but it all usually sounds like mechanical exercises & mostly bores me to tears. They're just as impressive with our without music behind them, because it's not about the music anyway.

            When Jeff does it, it's doesn't seem to be about technical ability. And it fits well within the context of the song.

            Just my take on Jeff's playing anyway. I'm not into guitar as sport, but I can say that Jeff's playing speaks to me more than Satch. In the end, it's which resonates with the listener more. "Better" is all subjective.
            Last edited by VitaminG; 09-15-2008, 08:37 PM.
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            • Originally posted by khabibissell View Post
              I guess that tune is just "above my head" and I "don't understand it" right?

              Jason's story is tragic and he was a talented young guitarist, but it doesn't change the fact that the "song" you posted was nothing more than 5 minute (4:45 seconds to be exact) wankfest. I'm glad you're impressed by it though... that young fella had some great technique.

              Wankfest? Maybe if it was 4:45 of sloppy pentatonics with random out of key bends, it wouldn't be a wankfest. Right?
              Originally posted by horns666
              The only thing I choke during sex is, my chicken..especially when I wanna glaze my wife's buns.

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              • Originally posted by Jacksons Shred View Post
                Wankfest? Maybe if it was 4:45 of sloppy pentatonics with random out of key bends, it wouldn't be a wankfest. Right?
                who is that referencing? Steve has mentioned some good guitarists in this thread and even said he likes Loomis's playing, but can't handle listening to it for long periods.

                So if he isn't blowing smoke up Jason Becker's ass, he must only like crappy blues rock hacks? Way to strengthen your argument, JS
                Hail yesterday

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                • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CY31MZlFK_E im sorry but satch cant touch this. and anyone who says this has no emotion or song structure are just plain fucking idiots.

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                  • Originally posted by VitaminG View Post
                    who is that referencing? Steve has mentioned some good guitarists in this thread and even said he likes Loomis's playing, but can't handle listening to it for long periods.

                    So if he isn't blowing smoke up Jason Becker's ass, he must only like crappy blues rock hacks? Way to strengthen your argument, JS
                    Referring to the song I posted as a 4:45 wankfest would usually categorize someone who is only impressed by shitty blues rock.

                    I'm sorry, but if you can seriously listen to the song I posted, especially the ending, and still say it's a wankfest. Your ass is stuck in the 80's and should really reconsider those spandex and the picture of Bon Jovi hanging over your bed.
                    Originally posted by horns666
                    The only thing I choke during sex is, my chicken..especially when I wanna glaze my wife's buns.

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                    • Originally posted by Jacksons Shred View Post
                      Referring to the song I posted as a 4:45 wankfest would usually categorize someone who is only impressed by shitty blues rock.

                      I'm sorry, but if you can seriously listen to the song I posted, especially the ending, and still say it's a wankfest. Your ass is stuck in the 80's and should really reconsider those spandex and the picture of Bon Jovi hanging over your bed.
                      Jason becker was 80s.

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                      • Originally posted by live2shred View Post
                        Jason becker was 80s.
                        Are you really going to compare Jason Becker (80's) to CC Deville (80's) ?
                        Originally posted by horns666
                        The only thing I choke during sex is, my chicken..especially when I wanna glaze my wife's buns.

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                        • Jason Becker... what a monster of a player.

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                          • I love these arguments, very entertaining. The bottom line is one guitar player may speak and hit that special spot in one person and not the other, and people will argue til they are blue in the face about who is better. B.S. the bottom line is really there is no better then other, it is how the listener percieves, technique, tone, and even there preferred taste of music. Honestly does Loomis tear up a guitar, FUCK YES, does Satch FUCK YES, along with a million players out there. It is how the individual hears it, not worth comparing genre's, players, or even dick size over. Appreciate that guitar playing is good again and look for the future.

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                            • Originally posted by Jacksons Shred View Post
                              Referring to the song I posted as a 4:45 wankfest would usually categorize someone who is only impressed by shitty blues rock.
                              it would? I'll have to defer to your greater life experience. I didn't realise that a singular comment about a Jason Becker instrumental could so clearly define an individual.

                              I'm sorry, but if you can seriously listen to the song I posted, especially the ending, and still say it's a wankfest. Your ass is stuck in the 80's and should really reconsider those spandex and the picture of Bon Jovi hanging over your bed.
                              I wouldn't call it a wankfest. It seems like most other guitar instrumentals. Basic theme stated & repeated to build a motif; a simple backing vamp to allow soloist artistic freedom to truly express themselves & expose their souls; soloing builds in speed, intensity, etc; at some point harmony guitars appear to indicate that it truly is a composed piece and not just random improv; theme repeated to tie beginning and end together to make cohesive musical vision; average listener nods off. Not wanky at all.
                              Hail yesterday

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                              • Originally posted by Jacksons Shred View Post
                                Wankfest? Maybe if it was 4:45 of sloppy pentatonics with random out of key bends, it wouldn't be a wankfest. Right?
                                Ah, kids these days... no respect for anything. You see what you did to this guy by blowing smoke up this guys ass because he can play a few fast licks? A guy by the name of Word comes to mind... but I digress.

                                Since you're wondering what stuff I like, let me show you a few guys that combine great technique with emotion and melody. Maybe you'll learn something!

                                Tony Macalpine band: taken from the DVD "Live From Musicians Intitute", 1996. Kevin Chown: Bass, Mike Terrana: Drums

                                Notice how Tony builds a melody (a technical one even!), then lets loose. Even then, he keeps it pretty tasteful.

                                Probably my favorite tune from Macalpine. Again, you notice the repeating motif... wow... a song!
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                                Rock Bottom, MSG wonderful !! The rest of the band you can trawl the google car and find..Gary Bardon, Glen Hughes, Cozy Powell etc etc

                                Something old school, but Micheal is great. You have to sit through the song a bit (solo starts at 3:30), but there is an extended solo section that is fantastic. You can learn tons about guitar by listening to Schenker's playing in UFO as well as his solo work. Clean technique, perfect bends, vibrato, dyanmics (notice how he works the volume knob of the guitar) and melody... what more could you ask for? Keep in mind, he's not using any outboard gear (stomps, racks, or multi channel amps)... just a cranked plexi and a wah. I figure you won't dig this, but do yourself a favor and check out Schenker solo and his work with UFO.

                                Enjoy the videos and music you love, upload original content, and share it all with friends, family, and the world on YouTube.

                                Early Malmsteen (he's in Alcatrazz here), before he got too carried away with the noodling (he seems to overplay a bit to me these days). In the early 80's, he still wore his Blackmore/Uli Roth influences on his sleeve, and was a better player in alot of ways IMO.

                                Uli Roth playing Sky Overture live at some festival in Europe... Actually, this video is on his site, but It doesn't seem like a whole lot of people have see...

                                Great performance by one of the masters. Now you know where Yngwie got his style from!
                                Last edited by khabibissell; 09-15-2008, 10:32 PM.

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