Fuck yes, Jeff Loomis!

[horns666]

Steve..be nice..JS be nice!!! You both have something to offer. Steve, I like the tones you got on that recording, and the riffs you sent me a while ago that you wern't sure about. JS, you're a good player for you're age..but its all about the song. Like I said, If you have equal creative skills you can be dangerous. If not, you need direction. I'd prolly like to give a guest spot on one of my originals..and trade off. You seem to fit the bill. (pun)

[khabibissell]

Best post of the thread IMO!

Luckily I'm sick as fuck..because the old Bill Z Bub was going to surface tonight! Its NOT about Jeff Loomis. No, it goes way far beyond that. Oh, its coming and its gonna make Katrina look like a wet fart!

I'm SICK of non-metal, clueless, know-it-all, fux that know diddly squat!!! You won't see me trying to be some authority on pop, rap, country, rocket science and brain surgery. That'll make me look like and asshole! ..EXACTLY!

Bro or foe makes no difference..if the shoe fits, I'm gonna beat ya with it..

I hope that wasn't aimed at me, since I never said any of the guitar players mentioned in this thread were better than another one... I'm just a BIT wiser than that.

Besides, just because someone doesn't agree with you doesn't mean that they are clueless... Who makes you an authority on what is good music and what is bad music? As with any art, music is open to interpretation... not everyone is going to get the same enjoyment out of a given piece of work. My point is that Loomis, for all his gifts, comes off a bit "wanky" on the CD and I got bored with it. I'm not going to say he sucks, because I think he is very, very good.

Anyway, I'm glad to see you are paying attention to this thread and keeping all us JCF minions in line...

Oh yeah, for the record, I'm not really a Satriani fanboy. I think he's great and deserves more respect when come to the instrumental guitar genre though.

[VitaminG]

Ah, kids these days... no respect for anything. You see what you did to this guy by blowing smoke up this guys ass because he can play a few fast licks? A guy by the name of Word comes to mind... but I digress.

meh, Petrucci? I'll be playing like that by the end of the year.

[khabibissell]

Here's another great Macalpine performance. Wow!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BlSCBEJP2s&feature=related

[horns666]

I love these arguments, very entertaining. The bottom line is one guitar player may speak and hit that special spot in one person and not the other, and people will argue til they are blue in the face about who is better. B.S. the bottom line is really there is no better then other, it is how the listener percieves, technique, tone, and even there preferred taste of music. Honestly does Loomis tear up a guitar, FUCK YES, does Satch FUCK YES, along with a million players out there. It is how the individual hears it, not worth comparing genre's, players, or even dick size over. Appreciate that guitar playing is good again and look for the future.

Best post of the thread IMO!

Luckily I'm sick as fuck..because the old Bill Z Bub was going to surface tonight! Its NOT about Jeff Loomis. No, it goes way far beyond that. Oh, its coming and its gonna make Katrina look like a wet fart!

I'm SICK of non-metal, clueless, know-it-all, fux that know diddly squat!!! You won't see me trying to be some authority on pop, rap, country, rocket science and brain surgery. That'll make me look like and asshole! ..EXACTLY!

Bro or foe makes no difference..if the shoe fits, I'm gonna beat ya with it..

[khabibissell]

Wankfest? Maybe if it was 4:45 of sloppy pentatonics with random out of key bends, it wouldn't be a wankfest. Right?

Ah, kids these days... no respect for anything. You see what you did to this guy by blowing smoke up this guys ass because he can play a few fast licks? A guy by the name of Word comes to mind... but I digress.

Since you're wondering what stuff I like, let me show you a few guys that combine great technique with emotion and melody. Maybe you'll learn something!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rmn5cJLmcZ4&feature=related

Notice how Tony builds a melody (a technical one even!), then lets loose. Even then, he keeps it pretty tasteful.

Probably my favorite tune from Macalpine. Again, you notice the repeating motif... wow... a song!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z56E-_HQkPI&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgY_w6M6Fnc

Something old school, but Micheal is great. You have to sit through the song a bit (solo starts at 3:30), but there is an extended solo section that is fantastic. You can learn tons about guitar by listening to Schenker's playing in UFO as well as his solo work. Clean technique, perfect bends, vibrato, dyanmics (notice how he works the volume knob of the guitar) and melody... what more could you ask for? Keep in mind, he's not using any outboard gear (stomps, racks, or multi channel amps)... just a cranked plexi and a wah. I figure you won't dig this, but do yourself a favor and check out Schenker solo and his work with UFO.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sj3ec2cCaJw

Early Malmsteen (he's in Alcatrazz here), before he got too carried away with the noodling (he seems to overplay a bit to me these days). In the early 80's, he still wore his Blackmore/Uli Roth influences on his sleeve, and was a better player in alot of ways IMO.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5e5072S-hBg

Great performance by one of the masters. Now you know where Yngwie got his style from!

[VitaminG]

Referring to the song I posted as a 4:45 wankfest would usually categorize someone who is only impressed by shitty blues rock.

it would? I'll have to defer to your greater life experience. I didn't realise that a singular comment about a Jason Becker instrumental could so clearly define an individual.

I'm sorry, but if you can seriously listen to the song I posted, especially the ending, and still say it's a wankfest. Your ass is stuck in the 80's and should really reconsider those spandex and the picture of Bon Jovi hanging over your bed.

I wouldn't call it a wankfest. It seems like most other guitar instrumentals. Basic theme stated & repeated to build a motif; a simple backing vamp to allow soloist artistic freedom to truly express themselves & expose their souls; soloing builds in speed, intensity, etc; at some point harmony guitars appear to indicate that it truly is a composed piece and not just random improv; theme repeated to tie beginning and end together to make cohesive musical vision; average listener nods off. Not wanky at all.

[paige]

I love these arguments, very entertaining. The bottom line is one guitar player may speak and hit that special spot in one person and not the other, and people will argue til they are blue in the face about who is better. B.S. the bottom line is really there is no better then other, it is how the listener percieves, technique, tone, and even there preferred taste of music. Honestly does Loomis tear up a guitar, FUCK YES, does Satch FUCK YES, along with a million players out there. It is how the individual hears it, not worth comparing genre's, players, or even dick size over. Appreciate that guitar playing is good again and look for the future.

[jgcable]

Jason Becker... what a monster of a player.

[Jacksons Shred]

Jason becker was 80s.

Are you really going to compare Jason Becker (80's) to CC Deville (80's) ?

[live2shred]

Referring to the song I posted as a 4:45 wankfest would usually categorize someone who is only impressed by shitty blues rock.

I'm sorry, but if you can seriously listen to the song I posted, especially the ending, and still say it's a wankfest. Your ass is stuck in the 80's and should really reconsider those spandex and the picture of Bon Jovi hanging over your bed.

Jason becker was 80s.

[Jacksons Shred]

who is that referencing? Steve has mentioned some good guitarists in this thread and even said he likes Loomis's playing, but can't handle listening to it for long periods.

So if he isn't blowing smoke up Jason Becker's ass, he must only like crappy blues rock hacks? Way to strengthen your argument, JS

Referring to the song I posted as a 4:45 wankfest would usually categorize someone who is only impressed by shitty blues rock.

I'm sorry, but if you can seriously listen to the song I posted, especially the ending, and still say it's a wankfest. Your ass is stuck in the 80's and should really reconsider those spandex and the picture of Bon Jovi hanging over your bed.

[live2shred]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CY31MZlFK_E im sorry but satch cant touch this. and anyone who says this has no emotion or song structure are just plain fucking idiots.

[VitaminG]

Wankfest? Maybe if it was 4:45 of sloppy pentatonics with random out of key bends, it wouldn't be a wankfest. Right?

who is that referencing? Steve has mentioned some good guitarists in this thread and even said he likes Loomis's playing, but can't handle listening to it for long periods.

So if he isn't blowing smoke up Jason Becker's ass, he must only like crappy blues rock hacks? Way to strengthen your argument, JS

[Jacksons Shred]

I guess that tune is just "above my head" and I "don't understand it" right?

Jason's story is tragic and he was a talented young guitarist, but it doesn't change the fact that the "song" you posted was nothing more than 5 minute (4:45 seconds to be exact) wankfest. I'm glad you're impressed by it though... that young fella had some great technique.

Wankfest? Maybe if it was 4:45 of sloppy pentatonics with random out of key bends, it wouldn't be a wankfest. Right?