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  • #61
    OK I've listened to this a few times now (thanks Bibz!).
    Devils Theory and Miles of Machines are enough to secure me buying this when it comes out.
    #1. What is Jeff playing thru? it sounds like 5150's, is this what Engls sound like recorded?
    #2. There is no question this guy has got serious chops, his mechanics are
    just crazy good, however I wish some of these metal guys would get away
    from the dominant Phrygian and show us some "other shred" once in a
    while. It seems like as soon as anyone picks up a 7 or tunes down to C,
    they automatically start with the dominant Phrygian stuff (I know becuase
    it sounds mean as shit in lower keys, I get it), but come on enough
    already.

    #3. I can see how the comaprisons to Becker etc would shine thru here but how could they not when playing this genre.
    Inevitably you're going to be compared to either Becker or Malmsteen when playing shred in these
    modes. (especially when you can do it this well.).

    One thing I do like about this Cd is that to me anyway it doesn't sound like Nevermore tunes without vocals.
    This drummer has a very different feel from Van Williams and honestly when I played the first track, the riffage
    and the tone of his guitars and the style of the drummer, I almost thought
    I had put on an "In Flames" track by mistake. A lot of the riffage sounds very "Gothenburg" to me.

    The more I listen to this CD the more I like it .
    Obviously there is a lot of good stuff to try and cop off of here, and since I already have a 7 string tuned down 1/2 a step I'm all set to jam out to this CD.

    For a first solo CD attempt I have to give it 5 stars,
    There is a lot of serious shredding going on here.

    On his next one (if he does another) I'd like to see him branch out into
    some other modes of shred.
    I know he can do this style and do it well.
    I want to see what else he's got.
    Ok I've got to go and start learning some of this stuff
    If this is our perdition, will you walk with me?

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    • #62
      Originally posted by kmanick View Post
      #3. I can see how the comaprisons to Becker etc would shine thru here but how could they not when playing this genre.
      Inevitably you're going to be compared to either Becker or Malmsteen when playing shred in these
      modes. (especially when you can do it this well.).
      I really respect your opinion, especially since I know you can actually play that crazy shit.

      Having said that, let look at some guys who fall into the Yngwie disciple category:

      Jason Becker
      Marty Friedman
      Tony MacAlpine
      Vinnie Moore
      James Byrd
      George Bellas
      Paul Gilbert (on occasion)

      All of 'em put a unique stamp on Yngwie's rip off of Uli Jon Roth.

      To my ears, this Loomis album doesn't do that. I think it's self evident which two guys on that list he writes and plays like.
      This electric phase ain't no teenage craze -UFO

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      • #63
        Very well said Bibz/Nick..I agree. Even tho I haven't listened to it yet! Fuck I downloaded the fuck and the fuck won't open, burn, play or dick!

        Here's the deal..There is MANY disciples of Yngwie/Eddie/Jimi..too much to list. Sure, there's many great players..too much to list. BUT, they don't sound like Jeff Loomis..they don't write like him, they don't sound like him. Jeff cultivated his very own style from players he loved ..just like all of us...but way better!

        That is the bottom line. Jeff is NOT Marty , Marty is NOT Jason, Jeff is NOT Jason...and nobody is Eddie. These are facts!
        "Bill, Smoke a Bowl and Crank Van Halen I, Life is better when I do that"
        Donnie Swanstrom 01/25/06..miss ya!

        "Well, your friend would have Bell's Palsy, which is a facial paralysis, not "Balls Pelsy" like we're joking about here." Toejam's attempt at sensitivity.

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        • #64
          Pete did bring up a good point..a very obvious one.

          He listed a few players from the Yngwie school...I'll just add one more.

          Jason Becker
          Marty Friedman
          Tony MacAlpine
          Vinnie Moore
          James Byrd
          George Bellas
          Paul Gilbert (on occasion)
          Jeff Loomis (on occasion)

          All of them have something to say in their very own way..
          "Bill, Smoke a Bowl and Crank Van Halen I, Life is better when I do that"
          Donnie Swanstrom 01/25/06..miss ya!

          "Well, your friend would have Bell's Palsy, which is a facial paralysis, not "Balls Pelsy" like we're joking about here." Toejam's attempt at sensitivity.

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          • #65
            Originally posted by kmanick View Post
            #3. I can see how the comaprisons to Becker etc would shine thru here but how could they not when playing this genre.
            Inevitably you're going to be compared to either Becker or Malmsteen when playing shred in these
            modes. (especially when you can do it this well.).
            I think his lead tone, bending, and vibrato sound almost exactly like Jason's. Sure the note choices are similar as well, but not to the same extent.

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            • #66
              Originally posted by petedz View Post
              I really respect your opinion, especially since I know you can actually play that crazy shit.

              Having said that, let look at some guys who fall into the Yngwie disciple category:

              Jason Becker
              Marty Friedman
              Tony MacAlpine
              Vinnie Moore
              James Byrd
              George Bellas
              Paul Gilbert (on occasion)

              All of 'em put a unique stamp on Yngwie's rip off of Uli Jon Roth.

              To my ears, this Loomis album doesn't do that. I think it's self evident which two guys on that list he writes and plays like.

              good point, but if you went back to Vinnie Moores first solo Cd he got hammered with Yngwie comaprisons when that first came out.
              (BTW I love Vinnie so this is by no means any slam on him, he's one of my Fav's)

              Becker, well Becker IMO is a one of a kind player so he didn't get nailed with the comparisons. He did take it in his own direction.

              Tony McAlpine , Thank you Thank you, Thank you for bringing his name up.
              He is the guy I tell people to listen to that has really given his own unique
              phrasing and sound to the NeoC shred scene. (currently into him big time)

              I can't stand Geoge Bellas so I won't comment on him.

              Paul Gilbert? really I don't think he plays this style at all.
              He's another one of my favorites, I'd group him more with the Frank Marino's etc. Racer X did do some Cacophy style tunes (Scarified etc)
              but his solo stuff is much more blues and pentatonic based than what Loomis is doing here. but you're right he's not cloning anyone , he is his own player.

              I don't know who James Byrd is so I can't say anything in regards to him either.

              Having said all of that I completely agree with you, he could've put more of an original stamp on this stuff, but I also agree with Bill, I can recognize Loomis's playing right away, he does have his own thing going on, now he needs to cultivate it and grow it into something completely his own (which I completely think he can and will do over time)
              Like I said above , for a first solo effort, I think pretty fugging impressive.
              the more I listen to it the more cool little licks I'm picking up on.
              he's got the talent to do it , I hope he gets the opportunity to grow as a solo instrumental guy and give
              us some stuff in the future that just blows us all away.
              I love his playing, he is the main reason I picked up a 7 string in the first place.
              Last edited by kmanick; 07-22-2008, 01:42 PM.
              If this is our perdition, will you walk with me?

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              • #67
                Originally posted by thetroy View Post
                I think his lead tone, bending, and vibrato sound almost exactly like Jason's. Sure the note choices are similar as well, but not to the same extent.
                that's funny you picked up on that, I also noticed that his lead tone is very similar to what Becker used.
                Not anything like his lead tone when he plays with Nevermore.
                If this is our perdition, will you walk with me?

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                • #68
                  Well Nick..thank you for..well..all of that. We are on the same page!

                  I GOT IT!!! I burned it...My Broham Clevo-John walked me thru the mudderfugger. I did not listen to it yet. I'm going to do a cleansing ritual before I aborb the the unholy notes!!

                  I said it for years and I'll say it some again. Jeff Loomis is the best METAL guiitarist to date..IMO! He's certainly my main fave and inspiration..blessed be Da Loomis!

                  No. it not what he plays..its how he plays it. I don't give a fuck about modes, arps, sweeps, and pings..that's icing on the fuggin' cake. Jeff bakes one hell of a cake..that's what alot of players don't do...no cake..just icing..lots and lots of icing (Rusty Cooley ).
                  "Bill, Smoke a Bowl and Crank Van Halen I, Life is better when I do that"
                  Donnie Swanstrom 01/25/06..miss ya!

                  "Well, your friend would have Bell's Palsy, which is a facial paralysis, not "Balls Pelsy" like we're joking about here." Toejam's attempt at sensitivity.

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by horns666 View Post
                    ..its how he plays it. I don't give a fuck about modes, arps, sweeps, and pings..that's icing on the fuggin' cake. Jeff bakes one hell of a cake..that's what alot of players don't do...no cake..just icing..lots and lots of icing (Rusty Cooley ).
                    Well said.
                    You should like it Bill.
                    I don't/didn't know anything by him except the years ago very limited Nevermore tunes I heard, as I mentioned earlier, the singer ruined it for me.

                    When I listened to Zero Order Phase I had no idea what to expect, having a virgin oriented mind set is all I had going into it.
                    I'm pretty opened minded about listening to new players and being a player I know what to listen for.
                    The stuff on this CD blew me away, very soulful and I connected.
                    Last edited by Soap; 07-22-2008, 06:26 PM.
                    Peace, Love and Happieness and all that stuff...

                    "Anyone who tries to fling crap my way better have a really good crap flinger."

                    I personally do not care how it was built as long as it is a good playing/sounding instrument.

                    Yes, there's a bee in the pudding.

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by horns666 View Post
                      Well Nick..thank you for..well..all of that. We are on the same page!

                      I GOT IT!!! I burned it...My Broham Clevo-John walked me thru the mudderfugger. I did not listen to it yet. I'm going to do a cleansing ritual before I aborb the the unholy notes!!

                      I said it for years and I'll say it some again. Jeff Loomis is the best METAL guiitarist to date..IMO! He's certainly my main fave and inspiration..blessed be Da Loomis!

                      No. it not what he plays..its how he plays it. I don't give a fuck about modes, arps, sweeps, and pings..that's icing on the fuggin' cake. Jeff bakes one hell of a cake..that's what alot of players don't do...no cake..just icing..lots and lots of icing (Rusty Cooley ).
                      Amen.
                      Originally posted by horns666
                      The only thing I choke during sex is, my chicken..especially when I wanna glaze my wife's buns.

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                      • #71
                        After the first song I knew this wasn't going to be for everybody, but if you were into it a little it'd blow you away. And I totally agree nick, he really does need to explore more diversity in his soloing, which I think this and more solo work will allow him to do. Hopefully he gets enough revenue to continue these pursuits, because that'll help us all with his technical brilliance! Housed, clothed, fed, shred. Sucks its in that order

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                        • #72
                          Listened to it a final time. Then deleted it. Boring, uninspired tripe, IMO.
                          You took too much, man. Too much. Too much.

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by GodOfRhythm View Post
                            Listened to it a final time. Then deleted it. Boring, uninspired tripe, IMO.
                            Hey, GOR..go beat up some old ladies or sumthin' ...dammit.

                            Listen up guys..I haven't listened to the whole thing yet. I'm actually giving each song about 10 runs or so to absorb them. There is alot to soak in. I got punched in the fuggin' balls when I heard MY main riff to "Father Felon" kick in on track #6 @ 2:06!!!

                            The very riff I bitched about when a local hack copped it..yeah, that's the one. I'm more than thrilled that I created a riff along the EXACT lines as the master!!! I'm not of his calibre by no stretch..no fuggin' way..but its exciting to know we speak the same language. Yes I did give him my gay demo..maybe he actually listened to it. Glen Drover did the same thing..

                            I'm not into song titles..they don't mean shit when it comes to instrumentals. Its all about the music.

                            As far as Jeff's sig..I heard it the second the CD started. It doesn't sound like anyone but Jeff IMO! Everything on this CD can be connected to his prior work. As soon as the first song started I was immediately remindied of "CBF" from NM's first s/t cd. In fact I can actually hear Warrel singing in much of what I've heard so far. I never thought of Marty, Becker, or anyone but Jeff while listening to this, I never gave them a single thought! Other than "genre" of guitar oriented music I hear no other musical connection. Its ALL Jeff Loomis to me, except for trk # 6 @ 2:06 (that's me!) . Nothing more than comparing Tony Mac to Greg Howe to Ritchie Kotzen to Vinnie Moore and so on..they all have their own sig! But I've been worshipping Jeff since early '96..just as I did with Ed...until early '96!

                            My thoughts on his direction and style. That's his fuggin' style. It works for him. He's a METAL guitarist..the best in the biz IMO. Nothing but great things are in the future him. Its been a LONG time coming..mark my words! Actually, I'm quite surprised how dynamic and diverse this cd is, including nice acoustic stuff and one bad ass bass spot..!?

                            I'm not qualified to give track by track comments yet..but I'm loving what I'm hearing!!
                            Last edited by horns666; 07-24-2008, 04:02 AM. Reason: TYPING WHILE BAKED!
                            "Bill, Smoke a Bowl and Crank Van Halen I, Life is better when I do that"
                            Donnie Swanstrom 01/25/06..miss ya!

                            "Well, your friend would have Bell's Palsy, which is a facial paralysis, not "Balls Pelsy" like we're joking about here." Toejam's attempt at sensitivity.

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                            • #74
                              I've been listening to this pretty much non stop since I got it (that and "Perpetual Burn" to see what all of these comparisons are all about, which I don't really agree with that strongly anymore, now that I've given this more listening time and I've been listening to Becker). Ya he's an influence on him for sure, but isn't that a good thing?

                              I've got to say , I think Jeff did some woodshedding before he recorded this, because he is really smoking on this CD. He sounds much smoother and faster than he does on most of the Nevermore stuff.
                              (either that or he's really taken to his new Schecter sig)
                              One thing that is bothering me is the mix. I know this is a promo release so I'm hoping they adjust the mix a little bit for the final release. In a lot of places the rhythm guitar is "boomy" and it takes away from what Jeff is doing over it.
                              If this is our perdition, will you walk with me?

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                              • #75
                                Okay, just downloaded the album. Shouting fire at a Funeral sounds good so far. Man... I need to do more writing on the 7 string!

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