A Bogner Fish was NOT used on Rust In Piece!

[emperor_black]

The Prophesy shows up on The World Needs A Hero, The System Has Failed, and United Abominations.

At least that (TWNAH era) is when it was added to his live rig. He had been using it pretty religiously since then up until recently. Lately he's been using something by Digitech I believe.

Thanks. I believe there was a thread about his rig recently and someone did post a pic of the gigantour rig. The rack had two Digitech GSP1101's along with marshall 50/50 power amps. Edit: Sorry, my bad, the 100/100.

EDIT: From the digitech website... Mustaine and Chris.

http://www.digitech.com/Artists/artists_view.php?id=230

[horns666]

Hmmm...VHT2150s are extremely nice if not one the best quality poweramps ever made. But Dave is far the only one. There's far more Marshall Monoblocs used at Ozzfests than VHTs for example. It's absurd to think professionals would chance using sub par gear on tours such as that. In fact, in Scandinavia, Marshall racks have been the standard for many years.
They are tried and true workhorses, and like any good gear, it's all what you do with it. If it works..that's all that matters. They're they amp of choice amoung many Jorne Lande AWESOME guitarists, amoung countless others including Roy Z's camp.

I still have the stock tubes in mine, and they have a zillion hours on 'em since '96 without a single glich! How can I not love that! Money was never an issue with me and tone, I play exactly what I want. I love Marshalls, and owned countless, this is by far my fave...which is obvious.

Didn't Rob initially question this..hahaa. He'd LOVE my tone if he heard it in person!!!

[Cleveland Metal]

Gads, always the same argument.

Dave had lotsa extras, and these things are built like crap. If yours ever left your house and got bounced around while hot, like mine that failed umpteen times did, you'd see. I have seen how badly and cheaply they are built. Ask Pete, you seem to have esteem in 'his" opinion... He'll tell you they are cheaply made as well. My repair guys HATED seeing me come in the door with that thing. and they said there were lotsa issues with them. Mostly cold solder joints, and issues getting to the the problems due to assembly, and issues with traces on the PCB's when repairing said solder joints. All of which I experienced .

Not like I just picked an esteemed brand and bitch because I have something else. I was dying to own that Marshall stuff and it kicked me in my ass, causing me to jump ship. If it held up and worked well, I'd still own it.

I happily bought Marshall and dearly wanted it to work, and was proud to fly their flag, till I realized it was crapfully made and not all that reliable when in use. Not sure how the bands out there are doing with them, I'll figure they must have back ups and get some sponsership.

[JacksonVHT]

JacksonVHT..dude, can you post some "modern" and "heavy" rythm stuff with your CAE+3. I think we may have different ideas what that actually means.

I have a short clip with passive Dimarzios with my Peavey Wolfgang.

Absolutely, I'm moving back to my place in New York mid-december. My rack is over there, all I have is my Framus Dragon here in Florida.

I'm sure we have very similar ideas of what heavy is but I'll try to explain in more depth how I feel towards my CAE.

The +3 SE definitely can't do super high gain modern stuff on its' own.

But to me an 80s metal tone is supposed to have insane amounts of treble + mids (which the +3 does) with barely any bass.

All the metal tones back then were thin and brittle with a few exceptions I'm sure.

The +3 SE is a very 3D amp, it has a very full sound with a really nice amount of bass. It's very chunky and punchy with the VHT depth up.

Can it do high gain modern death/black metal? Not a chance in hell.

But some modern metal tones from bands like Iced Earth are no problem. Even the later Chuck Schuldiner tones from Sound of Preservance are very easy to get because Chuck barely used any gain, of course there's a little more "tube" compared to Chuck's tone.

I'll definitely put up some clips.

[JacksonVHT]

Why on gods earth, would you ever get rid of a VHT, for a Marshall?

I'm sure weight had a big deal. The 2150 is VERY HEAVY.

That and Mustaine has been a prostitute for endorsements lately, but I don't blame him. His family has to eat.

[Cleveland Metal]

NJot a ton of diff weightwise between the 2150 and the monoblocs...

I'd say it's cuz Dave is getting props from marshall moneywise.

[JacksonVHT]

NJot a ton of diff weightwise between the 2150 and the monoblocs...

I'd say it's cuz Dave is getting props from marshall moneywise.

I'd say you're probably right.

[horns666]

Gads, always the same argument.

Dave had lotsa extras, and these things are built like crap. If yours ever left your house and got bounced around while hot, like mine that failed umpteen times did, you'd see. I have seen how badly and cheaply they are built. Ask Pete, you seem to have esteem in 'his" opinion... He'll tell you they are cheaply made as well. My repair guys HATED seeing me come in the door with that thing. and they said there were lotsa issues with them. Mostly cold solder joints, and issues getting to the the problems due to assembly, and issues with traces on the PCB's when repairing said solder joints. All of which I experienced .

Not like I just picked an esteemed brand and bitch because I have something else. I was dying to own that Marshall stuff and it kicked me in my ass, causing me to jump ship. If it held up and worked well, I'd still own it.

I happily bought Marshall and dearly wanted it to work, and was proud to fly their flag, till I realized it was crapfully made and not all that reliable when in use. Not sure how the bands out there are doing with them, I'll figure they must have back ups and get some sponsership.

There's no "arguements"..I'm just stating undeniable facts. They're a tried and true workhorse still being used by countless PROFESSIONALS on world tours including Ozzfests..theirs left the house.

You on the other hand have what my family calls ummm.."Bocce la morte".

hahhaaaaaaahaaaaaa...:ROTF:

[Endrik]

hmm.. Balls Of Death would be a pretty cool amp name

[horns666]

hmm.. Balls Of Death would be a pretty cool amp name

.., E, is that what it is...that's my family dialect for ya.

I think the proper phrase is "Bacio della morte" ..as clearly illustrated in the photo below...also known as FUBAR.. :ROTF:

[horns666]

Absolutely, I'm moving back to my place in New York mid-december. My rack is over there, all I have is my Framus Dragon here in Florida.

I'm sure we have very similar ideas of what heavy is but I'll try to explain in more depth how I feel towards my CAE.

The +3 SE definitely can't do super high gain modern stuff on its' own.

But to me an 80s metal tone is supposed to have insane amounts of treble + mids (which the +3 does) with barely any bass.

All the metal tones back then were thin and brittle with a few exceptions I'm sure.

The +3 SE is a very 3D amp, it has a very full sound with a really nice amount of bass. It's very chunky and punchy with the VHT depth up.

Can it do high gain modern death/black metal? Not a chance in hell.

But some modern metal tones from bands like Iced Earth are no problem. Even the later Chuck Schuldiner tones from Sound of Preservance are very easy to get because Chuck barely used any gain, of course there's a little more "tube" compared to Chuck's tone.

I'll definitely put up some clips.

Cool..yes, looking foward to hearing those. I was in a band with Clevo "Bacio della morte" John, and very familiar with his amp/sound. I have a clip playing thru it somewhere...just a basic sabbathy rythm thing. I wished I knew now what I knew then because both amps have tons of bottom...and it was a battle of the midrange. I know how to dial in a tone that cuts thru much better with two guitar rigs these days. We were pushing way too much lows then..we didn't even need a bass player.

I'd feel sorry for him if we did..

[Endrik]

.., E, is that what it is...that's my family dialect for ya.

yup... in today's general Italian it would be a little bit different. Morte goes with Le... Le Morte but in a phrase balls of death it would be Bocce Di Morte.
Well I think it is... my Italian isn't very good.

But I do know about Bocce... in south europe... there's that game you play with balls... it's called Petanque... the most popular thing in South France... and the Italian variation is called Bocce.
I have a set of those balls too

[horns666]

Oh yeah ..I used to love playing Bocce Ball. We used to have a gavel bocce ball pit in my old neighborhood at St Rocco's. With the solid and striped balls..and we had that roller thing to level the gravel..it was nice. Hopefully my wife will be playing Bocce Ball later..but I think she's too tired cooking all day.

Balls of death..yeah, that would be a Italian amp name!!!

The 120 watt Bill Z Bub "Ballz Delle Morte" ...NICE!!!

[Cleveland Metal]

Wave your flag high man. I know they aren't all that, and people that work on them will freely tell you they are probelmatic and cheaply made.

FAR from a tried and true workhorse, that's just a silly statment. You can tell me how great they are till you're blue in the face. I know the truth. They're cheaply made, with thin crapful PCB's with thin traces that are hard to repair. Period.

And Pete will say the same.

If you ever had had to do more with yours than plug into yours inside your house, you'd probably find they aren't tried and true workhorses. I'm sure lotsa bands use them... But lotsa people drive crappy cars all over the place. Lotsa people play terrible guitars and love them. Lotsa people depend their lives on cheap weapons, etc etc etc ..... But that doesn't mean crappy cars, terrible guitars and cheap weapons are awesome, haha....


And it's ummm, spelled Muerte.

[Cleveland Metal]

Hmmm, Maybe Muerte is spanish tho...