Agreed. To Dave's credit, Megadeth has mostly sounded the same no matter who was in it. In my mind that's a good thing.
He certainly comes across as being obnoxious though, and it grates me when he talks about his lead players (especially Marty and Chris Broderick) being teachable.
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Josh- Hear what you're saying, and I'd particularly agree with your point on VH.
I believe that Megadeth is more of the exception. Maiden can, and did, limp on without BD. Sabbath was a different, but still great, band with Dio, and Van Hagar obviously was very, very successful. I consider Megadeth to be more of an exception in that sense than the rule- It would almost be as goofy as Bon Jovi without....well, Bon Jovi.
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Originally posted by Vass View PostI respectfully disagree here- Yes, there's a "glue" guy for any band, but if Dickenson left Maiden it would be a different band (and we got to see that- Bailey). If Ozzy left the band, Sabbath is a different band (we saw that- Dio). If Roth leaves VH, different band (saw that- Hagar).
Metallica has only one voice, and that voice is Hetfield, but I do think you'd feel a much larger change if Lars or Kirk left than you'd feel if Mustaine swapped in a new guitarist. Hell, look how much the band changed after Cliff died.
Some groups are truly ensemble. The sum is greater than the parts. One example? I know alot of guys aren't fans of the Hamster. By himself maybe nothing outstanding. In Metallica, he's something much more.
Megadeth has always been somewhat of an exception to the general rule- They've been Dave & the Mega's since the beginning.
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Also, I don't dispute that other members of the bands listed are significant to the sound. I was only pointing out that Dave catches a bad rap about Megadeth being "HIS" band, whereas in reality many bands really belong to one guy. When other members of the band leave and the sound changes, sometimes the "owner" wanted it to change. For example, Van Halen was driving toward more keyboards even before Roth left.
To be fair, with Metallica I'm sorta under the impression that Lars may be just as big a player as Hetfield, but in some of their recent video footage Hetfield said he did all of the writing until St. Anger. So I gave him the benefit of the doubt and credited him as the leader. Either way, keeping in mind I'm an outsider with no firsthand knowledge of the inner workings of Metallica, I don't think Kirk wields the same power as James or Lars. That's not saying he's not as significant in the band's sound. He's just not the one who calls the shots.
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Originally posted by Newc View PostEllefson was as much a part of Megadeth's signature tone as Dave's voice, IMO. To boot him is like kicking Jones out of Zeppelin.
I think the current Megadeth line-up is great with the exception of Shawn Drover. Something about his drumming just feels loose and sluggish. Lacks that tightness Menza brought to the table which I thought really complimented Mustaines guitar playing.
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Broderick was playing Ibanez back when I saw him with Jag Panzer in 2001. I doubt he'll switch any time soon.
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Ellefson was as much a part of Megadeth's signature tone as Dave's voice, IMO. To boot him is like kicking Jones out of Zeppelin.
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Originally posted by Sinistas View PostMustaine said on the deth.com forums that he hoped Broderick signed with Dean or Jackson, so I don't think that's an issue here.
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Mustaine said on the deth.com forums that he hoped Broderick signed with Dean or Jackson, so I don't think that's an issue here.
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Originally posted by joshulator View PostIsn't it pretty common in most bands that 1 guy is the driving force?
Iced Earth-Jon Shaffer
Metallica-James Hetfield
Iron Maiden-Steve Harris
Black Sabbath-Tony Iommi
Van Halen-Eddie Van Halen
I think Dave is just more obnoxious about it.
I respectfully disagree here- Yes, there's a "glue" guy for any band, but if Dickenson left Maiden it would be a different band (and we got to see that- Bailey). If Ozzy left the band, Sabbath is a different band (we saw that- Dio). If Roth leaves VH, different band (saw that- Hagar).
Metallica has only one voice, and that voice is Hetfield, but I do think you'd feel a much larger change if Lars or Kirk left than you'd feel if Mustaine swapped in a new guitarist. Hell, look how much the band changed after Cliff died.
Some groups are truly ensemble. The sum is greater than the parts. One example? I know alot of guys aren't fans of the Hamster. By himself maybe nothing outstanding. In Metallica, he's something much more.
Megadeth has always been somewhat of an exception to the general rule- They've been Dave & the Mega's since the beginning.
VassLast edited by Vass; 03-24-2009, 11:19 AM.
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:ROTF:
I saw them two weeks ago. Chris nailed all the solos.
Missed the Jacksons tho.
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"Now he just needs to burn those Ibenhads and get himself a Soloist. Although Dave probably wouldn't let him "
You know what would be funny?
Jackson contacts Broderick, offers him a contract and supplies him with two (as opposed to the offer of ONE to Dave) free custom shops via their contract.
Keep this contract completely under wraps until the delivery of the guitars to Chris.
Arrange delivery of guitars to Chris' tech while on tour and have the axes waiting for him on stands onstage all tuned and ready to go.
Ensure that the tech understands that there are to be NO other guitars available for Chris to play.
THAT would burn Mustaine. He would see the guitars. Wonder "huh? What the fuck?" Continue with the show because I highly doubt that his ego would alow him to compromise the integrity of his band's performace live because his guitarist purchased a guitar from a company that he dislikes.
Dave gets with Chris after the show to explain to him his own dislikes of the Jackson company and how cheap, underhanded, and petty they are, and would he please get rid of the guitars and use his others.
Chris responds telling him that he cannot go back to the other guitars as he is now under contract with Jackson and that they sealed the deal by giving him TWO free guitars per year.
LOL how much pouting would commence at that point?
I reference "That 70's Show" for the next comment.
BURN!!!!!!!!Last edited by bombtek; 03-24-2009, 12:19 PM.
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Somebody needs to get Chris Broderick on a fuckin' Jackson. Never really payed much attention to him until he joined Megadeth but the dude is a fuckin monster. Been watching some of his shit on youtube and damn! That shit is impressive. Dude can play a lot of different styles of music including classical and jazz... which to me says something towards how well rounded of a player they are. That 8 finger tapping also adds so badass-ness to him. Now he just needs to burn those Ibenhads and get himself a Soloist. Although Dave probably wouldn't let him :ROTF:
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Originally posted by joshulator View PostIsn't it pretty common in most bands that 1 guy is the driving force?
Iced Earth-Jon Shaffer
Metallica-James Hetfield
Iron Maiden-Steve Harris
Black Sabbath-Tony Iommi
Van Halen-Eddie Van Halen
I think Dave is just more obnoxious about it.
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Isn't it pretty common in most bands that 1 guy is the driving force?
Iced Earth-Jon Shaffer
Metallica-James Hetfield
Iron Maiden-Steve Harris
Black Sabbath-Tony Iommi
Van Halen-Eddie Van Halen
I think Dave is just more obnoxious about it.
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