Metallica or Megadeth?

[Jacksons Shred]

Well, it's not a "theory", but simply a suggested objective measure by which to determine which band is "preferred" by more people (as the poll asks). While it may be flawed, it is far less flawed than saying, "I prefer Megadeth, ergo Megadeth is more popular". Plus one can control for the radio influence. Look up pre-Black Album record sales of all Metallica albums vs Megadeth albums on Billboard. This should give you an idea of consumer preference even before all the radio play. But really, why should we even have to control for the radio influence? "Radio friendly" means "more preferred by consumers", which is precisely what we are talking about. Radio stations want listeners so that they can profit from advertising, so the fact that they play more Metallica than Megadeth in the rock/hard rock markets is pretty telling. In any case, if you can come up with a better objective measure, I'm listening.



Wipe the fecal matter from your chin, as you seem to be suffering from diarrhea of the mouth from some kind of knee-jerk-reactionary diatribe against a straw man of your own creation. I didn't "discount" any guitarist. I didn't say any guitarist "lacked soul". I simply pointed out the obvious: that Metallica solos on the whole fit more sensibly into the music, they hold things together a little better. I look at the music from a song perspective, not a guitar talent perspective. I personally think Hammet is a pretty shitty guitarist, certainly much less interesting than Mustaine, Poland, Friedman, etc. But his leads work better within the context of the music in my opinion. Guitarists often forget that the average music listener is hearing the *song* and really could care less about the *guitar solo*. Plus I said the leads were a wash, not that the Metallica leads were better.

Also, here's a hint for you: if you're trying to make the case that my or anybody's *opinion* is bullshit, you're going to fail every single time. Every single time, brother.



This is nothing like my bottom line statement. I implied that if one polled the rock/metal consumer market, any given listener would be more likely to own a Metallica album than a Megadeth album. It's an analysis that could lead to an objective conclusion. Your statement is not that at all, and really makes little sense in the context of this conversation.

Jesus tap dancing Christ on a stick, next time I'm exposed to this arrogant drivel , please, someone spare me by beating me with a pvc pipe to whipe my memory clean. Now, do you want to continue this little cock slap fetish of yours by making your piss poor attempts to insult me and act like a tough guy? I don't, but if you want to go that route, I'm all in.

You're theory, yes, theory, that if one band gets more radio play, they're a better band. Which is what you're practically saying and I have to disagree. There are tons of bands that don't get radio playtime, but that doesn't mean the consumers don't want it. I'm not going to argue this any further but if you really want to, you can grab your little Metallica nut hugers and wait ever so quietly for Daddy to return and argue this matter with you. So I'm guessing that since Britney Spears gets way more play time then Metallica, she's a better artist? You're right. I'm wrong. Sorry.

Although, I can agree that I can't argue opinions with anyone ,because it's simply an opinion. I can state this fact.
Fact: Marty Friedman, Chris Poland, Jeff Young, all those Megadeth guitarist are better guitarist than Kirk Hammett. Here's another fact, they all write better solos then Kirk, too. You can take the 'listeners' route all you want, but I'm speaking as a guitarist, hell, I'll take your route, you caught me. I remember before I even picked up a guitar, I heard Marty Friedmans Symphony Of Destruction solo and it blew my mind away, and at that time I would have taken a bullet for Metallica solos. You've also strayed away from my original question, what makes a guitarist have soul? Why does Kirk Hammett have more soul then any of those Megadeth players? I'm very open to this subject, because I do agree that Kirk Hammett use to write solos that fit the song pretty well (Werent those Daves solos?), but, I fail to see how he has any more soul than lets say.. Marty Friedman.

My point of "my" bottom statement was to point out how one sided your bottom statement was. Witty witty me, huh?

[Robert Burns]

Not even close for me...Megadeth! I never liked Kirks style, or Tone.
How he took lessons from Satriani..i'll never know?
Megadeth tunes are better Structured imo... only a few Metallica hits
have what Dave rutinely puts out imo

[orion451]

You're theory on that if a band sells more = better is highly flawed. There are tons of musicians and bands that haven't sold millions of albums because they don't have label support, or the era of when they're around. It's not fair to say because Metallica is more radio friendly that they're better. I can't think of a time I've heard any HEAVY Metallica songs on the radio outside of their softer shit.

Well, it's not a "theory", but simply a suggested objective measure by which to determine which band is "preferred" by more people (as the poll asks). While it may be flawed, it is far less flawed than saying, "I prefer Megadeth, ergo Megadeth is more popular". Plus one can control for the radio influence. Look up pre-Black Album record sales of all Metallica albums vs Megadeth albums on Billboard. This should give you an idea of consumer preference even before all the radio play. But really, why should we even have to control for the radio influence? "Radio friendly" means "more preferred by consumers", which is precisely what we are talking about. Radio stations want listeners so that they can profit from advertising, so the fact that they play more Metallica than Megadeth in the rock/hard rock markets is pretty telling. In any case, if you can come up with a better objective measure, I'm listening.

I'm sorry, but you're going to be my scapegoat for this one. To say that Hammett has more soul is outrageous, and to even discard Marty or the other Deth guys is pathetic. What makes a guitarist have soul? Please? Tell me? Is it being strung out on acid wanking around shitty pentatonic's while playing an out of tune guitar? Is it just being a wankfest with a wah pedal that gives you soul? Seriously. I really fucking hate this bullshit, just because a guitarist plays outside of the pentatonic box doesn't mean they don't have soul! Granted, there are players *cough Rusty Cooley, Michael Angelo Batio, John Petrucci* that seem as if they lack soul, but they express themselves in a different way. Any guitarist can sit here and bend the shit out of two notes and I'm sure that would be 'soulful', but what's so interesting about that? I'm also not saying that you can't be creative and interesting inside the Pentatonic shapes, because sometimes that's what's right. If playing fast or technical disqualifies soul, then wow. By that theory you're saying Jason Becker, Michael Lee Firkins, Marty Friedman, Yngwie, Tony Macalpine, Al Di Meola, George Lynch, Greg Howe, Guthrie Govan, Shawn Lane, Allan Holdsworth, Steve Morse, Paul Gilbert, Bruce Bouillet, Vinnie Moore, Ed Van Halen, Dimebag Darrell and a large array of other guitarist all lack 'soul'. Which is bullshit.

Wipe the fecal matter from your chin, as you seem to be suffering from diarrhea of the mouth from some kind of knee-jerk-reactionary diatribe against a straw man of your own creation. I didn't "discount" any guitarist. I didn't say any guitarist "lacked soul". I simply pointed out the obvious: that Metallica solos on the whole fit more sensibly into the music, they hold things together a little better. I look at the music from a song perspective, not a guitar talent perspective. I personally think Hammet is a pretty shitty guitarist, certainly much less interesting than Mustaine, Poland, Friedman, etc. But his leads work better within the context of the music in my opinion. Guitarists often forget that the average music listener is hearing the *song* and really could care less about the *guitar solo*. Plus I said the leads were a wash, not that the Metallica leads were better.

Also, here's a hint for you: if you're trying to make the case that my or anybody's *opinion* is bullshit, you're going to fail every single time. Every single time, brother.

Also, I'm sorry... But, your bottom line..Can also reworded as "Lots of guitarist own Metallica albums, but the real great can play Megadeth songs!" Both statements are lame.

This is nothing like my bottom line statement. I implied that if one polled the rock/metal consumer market, any given listener would be more likely to own a Metallica album than a Megadeth album. It's an analysis that could lead to an objective conclusion. Your statement is not that at all, and really makes little sense in the context of this conversation.

[Jacksons Shred]

Wow. This isn't even a close contest. To think that it is is to delude oneself. One of the bands is basically one of the top 5 rock bands of all time and the other merely draws a cult following (the majority of which are musicians themselves). Forget about individual opinion, let's go to the objective evidence--the free market indicates Metallica albums outsell Megadeth albums by several orders of magnitude. This is really the only objective way to declare a winner--basing it on the summation of all opinions as communicated by the market.

This isn't to say that there's anything wrong with a given individual preferring Megadeth. I myself like them. Personally, I'd break it down like this.

Singing - Metallica (this isn't even close. Hetfield sounds like he has 8 testicles full of testosterone; Mustaine whines like a girl at times).

Riff quality - Metallica (the edge here is slight, but Hetfield just has more killer riffs).

Lead guitar - Tie (Megadeth has better shredders, Hammett has more soul, though).

Lyrics - Metallica (Not even close here. Some of the Mustaine first person, soliloquy shit is quite retarded).

Song quality - Metallica (the overall vibe of Hetfield's stuff is just more dominating).

Live - Metallica (no concert I've ever been to can match the energy level of pre-1991 Metallica).

If Metallica stopped making albums after Metallica Black, they'd still be considered the better band, so there's no way that their subsequent subpar work can detract from their earlier greatness.

Bottom line: anybody who is into metal owns some Metallica albums, anybody who plays metal guitar knows some Metallica songs. The same things are not true about Megadeth.

Before I say this, I'm going to make it clear that I am a big Metallica fan, if you would have asked me a few years ago I would have disregarded Megadeth in a heartbeat and chosen Metallica.

You're theory on that if a band sells more = better is highly flawed. There are tons of musicians and bands that haven't sold millions of albums because they don't have label support, or the era of when they're around. It's not fair to say because Metallica is more radio friendly that they're better. I can't think of a time I've heard any HEAVY Metallica songs on the radio outside of their softer shit.


Singing, yeah, I will give it to Hetfield that I probably do prefer his style of vocals a bit over Mustaines.

Riff wise, Dave Mustaine came up with some of the coolest Metallica shit, Ride the Lightning, anyone? Metallica does have some catchy riffs that I do like, and some of them are pretty technical. Every riff in Holy Wars is equally on par with any great riff Metallica has done.

Lyric wise, I find Megadeths lyrics more personal and have a greater meaning, there are some great lyrics in both bands, but Dave Mustaine is always singing about an issue, whether it be love, hate, anxiety, paranoia, war, politics, there's always a meaning.

I'm sorry, but you're going to be my scapegoat for this one. To say that Hammett has more soul is outrageous, and to even discard Marty or the other Deth guys is pathetic. What makes a guitarist have soul? Please? Tell me? Is it being strung out on acid wanking around shitty pentatonic's while playing an out of tune guitar? Is it just being a wankfest with a wah pedal that gives you soul? Seriously. I really fucking hate this bullshit, just because a guitarist plays outside of the pentatonic box doesn't mean they don't have soul! Granted, there are players *cough Rusty Cooley, Michael Angelo Batio, John Petrucci* that seem as if they lack soul, but they express themselves in a different way. Any guitarist can sit here and bend the shit out of two notes and I'm sure that would be 'soulful', but what's so interesting about that? I'm also not saying that you can't be creative and interesting inside the Pentatonic shapes, because sometimes that's what's right. If playing fast or technical disqualifies soul, then wow. By that theory you're saying Jason Becker, Michael Lee Firkins, Marty Friedman, Yngwie, Tony Macalpine, Al Di Meola, George Lynch, Greg Howe, Guthrie Govan, Shawn Lane, Allan Holdsworth, Steve Morse, Paul Gilbert, Bruce Bouillet, Vinnie Moore, Ed Van Halen, Dimebag Darrell and a large array of other guitarist all lack 'soul'. Which is bullshit.

Also, I'm sorry... But, your bottom line..Can also reworded as "Lots of guitarist own Metallica albums, but the real great can play Megadeth songs!" Both statements are lame.

[orion451]

I have to say, I'm pretty damn surprised that Megadeth is "winning" this pole.

I'm not surprised at all that in a Jackson/Charvel forum Megadeth would be preferred--this is precisely the minority demographic that buys Megadeth's stuff. But among almost all other demographics, it's pretty clear that Metallica stuff is far more popular.

[orion451]

Wow. This isn't even a close contest. To think that it is is to delude oneself. One of the bands is basically one of the top 5 rock bands of all time and the other merely draws a cult following (the majority of which are musicians themselves). Forget about individual opinion, let's go to the objective evidence--the free market indicates Metallica albums outsell Megadeth albums by several orders of magnitude. This is really the only objective way to declare a winner--basing it on the summation of all opinions as communicated by the market.

This isn't to say that there's anything wrong with a given individual preferring Megadeth. I myself like them. Personally, I'd break it down like this.

Singing - Metallica (this isn't even close. Hetfield sounds like he has 8 testicles full of testosterone; Mustaine whines like a girl at times).

Riff quality - Metallica (the edge here is slight, but Hetfield just has more killer riffs).

Lead guitar - Tie (Megadeth has better shredders, Hammett has more soul, though).

Lyrics - Metallica (Not even close here. Some of the Mustaine first person, soliloquy shit is quite retarded).

Song quality - Metallica (the overall vibe of Hetfield's stuff is just more dominating).

Live - Metallica (no concert I've ever been to can match the energy level of pre-1991 Metallica).

If Metallica stopped making albums after Metallica Black, they'd still be considered the better band, so there's no way that their subsequent subpar work can detract from their earlier greatness.

Bottom line: anybody who is into metal owns some Metallica albums, anybody who plays metal guitar knows some Metallica songs. The same things are not true about Megadeth.

[Grandturk]

I have to say, I'm pretty damn surprised that Megadeth is "winning" this pole. I thought I would be crucified for liking Deth over Tallica.. I think we all almost feel the same though, I use to like Metallica a lot more, but over the years I've started to like Deth more.

Nah, here, the only band that gets more shit than MegaDave is McHetfield.

[roodyrocker]

I have always found from the early days that I can tolerate Metallica only for about 1 song then they bore me. Megadeth smokes Metallica in my book, its not even close. I know Metallica is more successful commercially but I don't care, Megadeth is a better band and definetly not as boring. As Butthead says: "Sit your ass back down Lars and play the drums like you're supposed to!"

[guitarman1234]

I'm more into technical music so megadeth by a longshot.

[Jacksons Shred]

I have to say, I'm pretty damn surprised that Megadeth is "winning" this pole. I thought I would be crucified for liking Deth over Tallica.. I think we all almost feel the same though, I use to like Metallica a lot more, but over the years I've started to like Deth more.

[ilbianconero]

Of the 2, Megadeth.
Don't even have any Metallica albums.

[Rsmacker]

Only because Megadeth would be playing Rock City, and you could walk up on the night and buy a ticket. Metallica would be at the NEC, sold out months in advance.

[Snoogans]

I like and dislike them both. However, if they both released new albums tomorrow, I know that I'd prefer the Megadeth one. Likewise, if they were both playing nearby on the same night, I'd be at the Megadeth show...

[wetrx95]

I'm gonna have to jump in on the Metallica bandwagon. When I was a kid found Lightning and that was that. I was already messing around with guitar listening to Priest, Maiden, and others of that genre. This album just threw everything out the window. The sound was just absolutely crushing, the timing perfect, and the lyrics 'thought provoking.' Metallica is not afraid to put it out there. They say what's on their mind and change their sound, why, because they want to. They 'evolve', but, everytime I see them they're still tearing up the classics. I think Creeping Death is a staple. I try to see them whenever they're around. Oh, I like all their albums except St. Anger. I don't know where the hell that one came from... I was very happy with the latest when Lars put ye ol' double bass into overdrive once again.

Megadeth is really awesome as well. The band really hasn't changed since it's inception which isn't necessarily a bad thing. The musicians are fantastic (especially Marty) and Dave's lyrics can be mind blowing at times. I just HATE his voice. Half the time it sounds like he's trying to squeeze one out. I do like their later albums. Train of Concsequences just gets my head moving.

My 2 cents.

Let the beatings begin...

[Newc]

If you're going in albums up until risk, you're forgetting Countdown, Youthanasia and Cryptic Writtings..

I remember watching that Lars said he was a huge fan of Rust in Peace, and Dave was apart of Metallica, so obviously they were similar, and if one piece of another band leaves, there's always going to be that similar sound.

Yeah I meant to say Cryptic Writings, not Risk, and that I liked those albums up until Risk. Some sort of editing error on my part.