Thrash anyone...

[Jacksons Shred]

I don't know... all the older guys insisted that Pantera was the only thrash band that had continued success through the 90's.

CFH and Vulgar were definitely groove with some thrash riffs, but I wouldn't classify Pantera as thrash.

[Grandturk]

So what's everyone's take on this:

You always hear "The Big Three" thrash bands, and universally, I think we can all agree its Metallica, Slayer and Megadeth. Some younger guys might not get it, but that's what it always was.

Then, you see people expand it to "The Big Four" or "The Big Five" and then start throwing in Exodus, Testament, Anthrax, Kreator, Overkill, etc.

To me, there's never really been an established "fourth place" band. Like, if you read the wiki entry for Anthrax, it says "Anthrax was one of the Big Four thrash bands" and then you read the entry for Testament, and "Testament was one of the Big Four." etc. etc.

Opinions?

[loose Cannon]

Despite all of these bands which formed around the same time the "Big four" tag is probably more in reference to the timing of when they all brought out their debut albums . But in saying that in 1985 Exodus released" Bonded by blood" which came out 2 months before Megadeths "Killing is my business" . By that stage Slayer,Metallica & Anthrax had already released their debuts. Yet exodus were probably overshadowed as Megadeth were hyped due to the Mustaine/Metallica link.

Yet you throw in other bands like Metal Church , Possesed , Armoured Saint etc who formed in the early 80's also and also released debuts in 1985 yet arent seemingly recognised as Pioneers of the thrash movement as compared to the " Big 4" .Could also come down which band was more popular and their appeal at the time also.

[Sinistas]

The Big Four was ALWAYS Metallica, Megadeth, Slayer, Anthrax. Testament didn't come around until later, and Exodus never achieved as much success. Sounds like revisionist history to me.

[fordsho90]

Voivod
Venom
Celtic Frost
Shadows Fall
Sadus
Rigor Mortis
Sacrament
Possesed (Started the Death metal breakaway from thrash)
Morbid Saint
Living Sacrifice
Cryptic Slaughter
Anacrusis
Anihilated
Sabbat
Acid Reign
Gamma Bomb
Blood Tsunami
Voodocult
Grinder
Justice
Exciter
Dead brain cells
Piledriver
Thats about all I can think of that hasent been said already

[EvileMatt]

On the topic of thrash, after the loss of our bass player last year we (evile) have a new member and begin touring in 2 days, UK, Europe and USA (at last). Shall be road testing my new RR24....

INFECTING NATIONS Tour 2010
EVILE + WARBRINGER + THE FADING

January
14 CARDIFF, Barfly - UK
15 WREXHAM, Central Station - UK
16 YORK, Fibbers - UK
17 GLASGOW, Cathouse - UK
18 NEWCASTLE, University - UK
20 MANCHESTER, Academy 3 - UK
21 NOTTINGHAM, Rock City - UK
22 LEEDS, Rio's - UK
23 BRISTOL, Thekla - UK
24 LONDON, Underworld - UK
25 WOLVERHAMPTON, Civic Hall - UK
27 TILBURG, O13 - NL
28 KERKRADE, Rocktempel - NL
29 AARAU, KiFF - CH
30 PRAGUE, Exit Chmelnice - CZ
31 SAARBRÜCKEN, Garage - D

February
01 MUNICH, Backstage - D
02 MILAN, Zoe Club I
04 BARCELONA, Be Cool - E
05 MADRID, Ritmo & Compas - E
06 LISBON, Cine Teatro Corroios - P
07 IRUN, Tunk - E
09 LUYNES, Korigan - F
10 PARIS, Glaz'Art - F
11 WEINHEIM, Cafe Zentral - D
12 OSNABRÜCK, Bastard Club - D
13 CHEMNITZ, Talschock - D
14 VOSSELAAR, Biebob - B
16 DÜDINGEN, Bad Bonn - CH
17 WANGEN, Jugendhaus - D
18 NÜRNBERG, Z-Bau - D
19 COPENHAGEN, The Rock - DK
20 ESSEN, Turock - D

KREATOR "Hordes Of Chaos Part II" USA Tour
Line-up Varies (See below for details)
KREATOR + VOIVOD + NACHTMYSTIUM + EVILE + LAZARUS A.D.
LIGHTNING SWORDS OF DEATH + KATAKLYSM

March 03 - Jaxx, West Springfield, VA
March 04 - The Trocadero, Philadelphia, PA
March 05 - The Palladium (MA), Worcester, MA
March 06 - Nokia Theater, New York, NY
March 07 - Club Soda, Montreal, QUE
March 08 - Imperial de Quebec, Quebec City, QUE
March 09 - Opera House, Toronto, ONT
March 10 - Peabody's Cleveland, OH
March 11 - Blondie's, Detroit, MI
March 12 - The Bottom Lounge, Chicago, IL
March 13 - Rave, Milwaukee, WI (without VOIVOD)
March 14 - Block Station 4, St Paul, MN
March 16 - Bluebird Theater, Denver, CO (VOIVOD, NACHTMYSTIUM leave tour, LSOD Join)
March 18 - Corazon, Seattle, WA (KATAKLYSM Join)
March 19 - Rickshaw Theater, Vancouver, BC
March 20 - Hawthorne Theatre, Portland, OR
March 21 - Slim's, San Francisco, CA
March 23 - House of Blues, West Hollywood, CA
March 24 - House of Blues, San Diego, CA
March 25 - The Rock, Tucson, AZ
March 27 - Emo's Alternative Lounging, Austin, TX
March 28 - Meridian, Houston, TX
March 30 - The Club at Firestone, Orlando, FL
March 31 - The Masquerade, Atlanta, GA

Tickets @ http://www.enterthevault.com

KILLFEST USA Tour 2010
OVERKILL + VADER + GOD DETHRONED + WARBRINGER + EVILE + WOE OF TYRANTS

"Killfest" tour dates:.
Apr. 01 - Philadelphia, PA @ The Trocadero
Apr. 02 - Worcester, MA @ The Palladium
Apr. 03 - Hartford, CT @ Webster Hall
Apr. 04 - Quebec City, QC @ Imperial de Quebec
Apr. 05 - Montreal, QC @ FouFounes
Apr. 06 - Toronto, ON @ Phoenix Concert Theater
Apr. 07 - Cincinnati, OH @ Bogarts
Apr. 08 - Detroit, MI @ Blondies
Apr. 09 - Chicago, IL @ The Metro
Apr. 10 - Milwaukee, WI @ The Rave
Apr. 11 - Minneapolis, MN @ Station 4
Apr. 13 - Denver, CO @ Gothic Theatre
Apr. 15 - Vancouver, BC @ Red Room
Apr. 16 - Seattle, WA @ El Corazon
Apr. 17 - Portland, OR @ Roseland Theater
Apr. 18 - San Francisco, CA @ The Grand Ballroom
Apr. 19 - Las Vegas, NV @ House of Blues
Apr. 20 - Los Angeles CA @ House of Blues
Apr. 21 - San Diego, CA @ House of Blues
Apr. 22 - Phoenix, AZ @ O.K.'s
Apr. 23 - Tucson, AZ @ The Rock
Apr. 24 - Farmington, NM @ Gators
Apr. 25 - Tulsa, OK @ Marquee
Apr. 26 - Austin, TX @ Emu's
Apr. 27 - Houston, TX @ Scout Bar
Apr. 28 - Dallas, TX @ Trees
Apr. 29 - Louisville, KY @ Headliners Music Hall
Apr. 30 - Springfield, VA @ Jaxx
May 01 - New York City, NY @ Nokia Theater

August
5th/6th/7th - WACKEN OPEN AIR - Germany (http://www.wacken.com)

Oh and on the topic of Thrash, Sepultura's Beneath the Remains and Arise are must owns!!

[velkan]

hey Matt! hope seeing you guys at Corroios (Portugal) !! so you got yourself a white RR24? nice

[Sinistas]

I'll have to try and hit one of those Palladium shows. Damn lack of money!

[Spivonious]

Nice tour Matt! I like the Jaxx and the Troc (Virginia and Philadelphia, respectively). The Jaxx is tiny but always has tons of energy. They get lots of European bands.

[Sharkfin]

Nice tour Matt! I like the Jaxx and the Troc (Virginia and Philadelphia, respectively). The Jaxx is tiny but always has tons of energy. They get lots of European bands.

I love Jaxx! I was tripped out that I was going to see Entombed for the first time, and the venue is in a strip mall next to a Chinese Take out joint on one side and a Kabob joint on the other side.

[Hellbat]

I'll be seeing you at the Rickshaw Theater with Kreator on March 19th Matt. Looking forward to the show!

[EvileMatt]

good stuff thanks! looking forward to seeing everyone there...

thrash though.... debate time, do people think there was a reason why bands like agent steel etc weren't as big as guys like metallica/slayer, or do you prefer the bands like agent steel to the big four etc... if so why??

[MartinBarre]

Anthrax were most definetely the other of the Big Four bands. They were massively succesful for a thrash band around the time of "State of Euphoria". They had "Antisocial" and "Who Cares Wins" being shown on daytime TV in the UK which was pretty amazing for that time. I never saw Slayer, Metallica or Megadeth on TV, but Anthrax were.
They've lost the plot now, but they were big back then.

[Endrik]

do people think there was a reason why bands like agent steel etc weren't as big as guys like metallica/slayer, or do you prefer the bands like agent steel to the big four etc... if so why??

old Agent Steele didn't sound as fresh and dangerous as the new type of american metal made by Big Four and Bay Area thrashers, instead they were more similar to late 70's British bands which started to fade away

[MartinBarre]

old Agent Steele didn't sound as fresh and dangerous as the new type of american metal made by Big Four and Bay Area thrashers, instead they were more similar to late 70's British bands which started to fade away

The Big Four simply had better songs than their peers like Testament, Overkill etc.