New Slayer song - Hate Worldwide

[Grandturk]

Um, who has the Unholy Alliance tour? Who plays to sold out crowds and has headlined a shit of load of important shows/festivals/tours? Slayer is anything but dead, so your point is discredited...so what if a few guys on the internet don't like them. They're obviously still popular if they can tour without having to support an album, and that tour sells out-but in the right way

Can the attitude.

I'm sorry, but this whole: "Don't change. Change isn't METAL!!!" is bullshit. As a musician and a person, my tastes have changed over the years (thankfully - I mean, I actually bought Slaughter's debut album). That means I listen to different things and I play different things. That also means that every musician out there has the same ability to grow.

Now, growth doesn't mean "no longer liking/playing metal." Shitty music is shitty music - if you change your sound and play shit, I'll call it shit - for example, in my opinion, Megadeth after Rust in Peace (do I hear a lynch mob forming?).

Take for example this example of change:

Black Sabbath --> Judas Priest --> Motorhead --> Iron Maiden --> Metallica

That's Metal growing and changing from 1969 to 1983. There's no reason for us to still live in 1983.

[SlaytanicDude]

Uhoh, is someone a little butthurt?

As a genre, metal has grown alot. But metal bands, when they find their sound, aren't supposed to change. Look at the blues-rock bands that metal grew out of. They didn't change their sound to go with metal, did they? Nope. As an individual band, you take the influences from the previous genre and artists, and find YOUR sound. Then someone comes along, and takes influences from you, and that's how the genre grows. It doesn't grow by a band changing their sound, that crap just happens when a band finds out that their style isn't popular enough to get them the $$$ they imagined, so they whimp out and sell out.

You still opening up to new brands of music is fine, but I doubt very much your style is radically different from before you found that music. But you're saying Slayer should all of a sudden do this 360 turn in their musical style-WTF do you want them to do? Start sweeping and tapping like mad? That's not Slayer. They found their sound; you don't like it, then don't listen to it. But it has influenced a shit load of bands since, and shit was a big influence to death metal, so you calling it shit is very much muted, unless you wanna go through everything Slayer's influenced and call it shit to, in which case you might as well ditch metal.

Also, your timeline is fail because Preist, Motorhead and Maiden where all from the same era of music, and overlooks other bands from that era. It should have been Sabbath/Zeppelin----NWOBHM-----thrash. Zeppelin isn't very metal, but they were a big influence on alot of metal bands.

[toxikdeth]

Uhoh, is someone a little butthurt?

As a genre, metal has grown alot. But metal bands, when they find their sound, aren't supposed to change. Look at the blues-rock bands that metal grew out of. They didn't change their sound to go with metal, did they? Nope. As an individual band, you take the influences from the previous genre and artists, and find YOUR sound. Then someone comes along, and takes influences from you, and that's how the genre grows. It doesn't grow by a band changing their sound, that crap just happens when a band finds out that their style isn't popular enough to get them the $$$ they imagined, so they whimp out and sell out.

You still opening up to new brands of music is fine, but I doubt very much your style is radically different from before you found that music. But you're saying Slayer should all of a sudden do this 360 turn in their musical style-WTF do you want them to do? Start sweeping and tapping like mad? That's not Slayer. They found their sound; you don't like it, then don't listen to it. But it has influenced a shit load of bands since, and shit was a big influence to death metal, so you calling it shit is very much muted, unless you wanna go through everything Slayer's influenced and call it shit to, in which case you might as well ditch metal.

Also, your timeline is fail because Preist, Motorhead and Maiden where all from the same era of music, and overlooks other bands from that era. It should have been Sabbath/Zeppelin----NWOBHM-----thrash. Zeppelin isn't very metal, but they were a big influence on alot of metal bands.

Your comments are true except slayer does tap. Slayer is not a heavy solo related band they rely more on their riffs, vocals, and lyrics

[horns666]

'Turk..seriously, review the last couple posts and the only "tude" that seems to be conveyed is from you man. People have convictions and opinions, and expressing those without percieving or demanding to "Can the Attitude". Human nature is to react pretty negative to such demands from someone that doesn't share their point of view. I certainly don't share MOST of your POV, but I do in some ways. I don't have any 'tude whatsoever. I'm just stating what I know. That's how I rolled professionally, personally. As silly as I may come across. I know what I'm talking about in terms of heavy metal. If I didn't, I would participate in these conversations at all.

You won't see me debating anyone with a degree in physics over radioactive quazers..or in political science because they can run circles around me in such a topic, even tho I may disagree. I'll look like an ass attempting to articulate my views in such discussions ...and not in a good way. I like making an ass of myself in general, because I'm a silly dickhole. But not in topics I'm not well versed on...unless I'm not takling it seriously and act like a silly dickole. I take acting like a silly dickhole pretty seriously..it's an artform.

I do agree with you 100% about not having to stay 1983. I certainly don't want to or do that! I agree with music/bands SHOULD evolve, and keep raising the bar in standars of playing, production and ect...absolutely. But NOT "sell out" for the sake of attempting to become popular ..losing their core fanbase that supported them. EX: Metalicca and even Megadeth (Risk) did that. Metallica became pretty successful but lost alot of resect and integrity integrity with many old fans. But since metal is hapening again. They're NOT continuing in that direction. They're playing the classics and writing material that is more true to form of of their identity (Death Magnetic) . So, there's a balance artists face, especially with metal..because wer're the biggest diehard fans of any genre of music ..sometimes it works ..sometimes it doesn't. and it's their fans that let them know. EX; When In Flames broke thru in the states..they put out a shit product that sounded kinda like a Korn tribute, and wore white jumpsuits. Needless to say..they'll never did that again. I don't think they really recovered from that. For the same reasons Mustaine will never do another "Risk cd anytime soon.

The bands/player I love most these days sound NOTHING like 1983. EX: the obvious...Jeff sounds NOTHING like recent Jake E Lee, Vinnie Vincent, or George Lynch..and to me that's a good thing!

So, it's all good my brutha..relax man!!

relax..

[SlaytanicDude]

Yeah that's right, on a few songs like Seasons in the Abyss and War Ensemble. But they don't tap very heavily at all, and they aren't solo based at all, like you said. What I meant by that comment was does he want Slayer to become more solo oriented as a sign of "growth."

[Grandturk]

See Billz - this is why I avoid these threads. It's all good. We all love metal.

I simply submit that a musician owes it to themselves to play what they need to play - and if that means changing their "sound" then so be it. You're either with them or not. Thank the dark lord that bands like Sabbath, Purple and Priest evolved their sounds. Otherwise we'd all be talking about Jackson flutes instead of guitars.

[Vlover]

Um, who has the Unholy Alliance tour? Who plays to sold out crowds and has headlined a shit of load of important shows/festivals/tours? Slayer is anything but dead, so your point is discredited...so what if a few guys on the internet don't like them. They're obviously still popular if they can tour without having to support an album, and that tour sells out-but in the right way

And Dred I just added that because I have seen people who seem to think Slayer is a punk band because of that album :think:-and they did write two songs on that album

And Vlover, I'd say it's better to sound better live-playing live is where it really counts. For all we know, an entire album could be done with autotune and studio musicians and not the real band. But in a live situation, the guitarists atleast have to show that they really can play the stuff

Of course. But I still like CD's that sound heavy. That you can have at any volume and sound heavy as hell. But i guess its just me liking good production on a record. That whole stripped down keep it simple sound that Metallica went for as opposed to their earlier (Black Album) stuff turned into crappy sounding records. It doesn't have to do with anything with the notes, just the tone to me sometimes. And im crazy

I just saw Slayer live playing the new "Red" sound. Better Live. I just want a great live sound AND album sound.

[sevser]

Thought this recent interview with Hetfield kinda fit this discussion...

Taken from Blabbermouth.net

Hetfield spoke frankly in a recent interview with Classic Rock magazine about the band's so-called "wilderness" years, in the mid-to-latter 90s, during which drug use and disagreements over the group's image and sound nearly drove them apart. Hetfield said he was particularly uncomfortable with the change in the group's image around the release of its 1996 album "Load". Hetfield explained, "The whole 'We need to reinvent ourselves' topic was up. Image isn't an evil thing to me, but if the image isn't you, it doesn't make much sense."

Hetfield said that he thought Ulrich and Hammett were "after a U2 kind of vibe, Bono doing his alter-ego. I couldn't get into it. I would say at least half the pictures that were to be in the booklet, I yanked out. The cover went against what I was feeling. Lars and Kirk were very into abstract art, pretending they were gay. I think they knew it bugged me. I think the cover of 'Load' was just a piss-take around all that. I just went along with all this crazy stupid shit."

Hetfield claimed that Ulrich and Hammett bonded over their drug use during that time and that the band's music suffered too, saying, "A lot of fans got turned off quite a bit by the music — but mostly, I think, by the image."


So...James is now admitting what us "Old" fans have been saying all along...(especially in the last line) They sold out...

Must make those who have been defending them a little uncomfortable...

[Grandturk]

So...James is now admitting what us "Old" fans have been saying all along...(especially in the last line) They sold out...

So if Load and Reload were Kirk and Lars' fault... who's responsible for St. Anger.


Anyway - this sounds like revisionist BS to me. From a songwriting point of view, Hetfield wrote the hell out of every song on Load and Reload - so he absolutely had a hand in the direction of the band, whether or not he picked the cover photo or not.

[Vlover]

HAHA....I didnt even think of U2 but they DO look like Bono on the Load album.

[Chad]

Interesting about Lars and Kirk's drug use. Were they into hard drugs? I knew Metallica was into booze and lighter stuff, but that quote makes me wonder what those two were actually into.

[Hellbat]

I had typed a long winded reply to this and my browser ate it, so I'll boil it down.

Metallica died with Cliff Burton. Every song of their's that I love had his stamp on it. He really was the source of all their interesting melodies. Newstead called him the Jimi Hendrix of bass and I tend to agree.

Anyways back to topic. The new Slayer sounds like Slayer, which means I don't enjoy it. Seriously, if you have a Sig JCM800 why would you go out of your way to achieve solid state tones with it. They always struck me as a Venom cover band.

[toxikdeth]

I had typed a long winded reply to this and my browser ate it, so I'll boil it down.

Metallica died with Cliff Burton. Every song of their's that I love had his stamp on it. He really was the source of all their interesting melodies. Newstead called him the Jimi Hendrix of bass and I tend to agree.

Anyways back to topic. The new Slayer sounds like Slayer, which means I don't enjoy it. Seriously, if you have a Sig JCM800 why would you go out of your way to achieve solid state tones with it. They always struck me as a Venom cover band.

Dont insult venom like that

[SlaytanicDude]

Tom Araya pissed on Cronos way back when.

[toxikdeth]

Tom Araya pissed on Cronos way back when.

I'll give you that Cronos can't really play for shit but venom for me just sticks more. I loved hell awaits and show no mercy but didn't really dig anything after that.