Another new megadeth song

[Grandturk]

RIP was a great album but...

There's no "buts" about it.

1. Master of Puppets
2. Rust in Peace
3. Reign in Blood

Done.

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[Brian]

I listened through every song...

RIP was a great album but...When will people get over it?

And Nick Menza...This guy is not, and never was a "Great" drummer...decent, capable...
For the life of me...I can't see why people think he was such a integral part of MD...

(and I forgot my flame resistant suit...shit!)

I'm not going to flame you, so you don't need a resistant suit :ROTF:

But RIP IS a great album. Not was. It's not about the production. It's about the material. It's well written and perfectly executed. What's to get over? What's great is great and that's not going to change.

As far as Nick is concerned, it's not about him being the best drummer in the world. I feel like I am kicking a dead horse here *I probably am* but it's about how his playing complimented Daves guitar playing. Nicks style of playing is very tight and precise, like Daves guitar work. The combination of the two is partly what contributed to that line up being so revered. They were razor sharp and on point 99% of the time.

Jimmy DeGrasso and Shawn Drover are both really great drummers, but their feel/style is much different than Nick Menza. They're much looser drummers which gives the guitar sound a looser feel as well. That's why I really don't enjoy the live recordings of the older material with those guys, it just doesn't have the same attack and presence.

Some might say it's being "nit picky" *shrug*. If I wasn't picky I would likely be listening to Kanye West and Beyonce right now. So.. yeah.

It's all personal preference. Some people prefer that looser feel. For me, it detracts from Daves playing and it is the opposite of what I associate with "Megadeth"

[Endrik]

RIP was a great album but...When will people get over it? The production was good for its time...Not when compaired to the stuff coming out now, including this...

oh yes what a great time it was... people made albums that actually sounded good unlike all the lifeless crap which sounds like it's been made with a laptop these days... damn how much the last MD album sucked balls... music and production wise

[MartinBarre]

RIP was a great album but...When will people get over it? The production was good for its time...Not when compaired to the stuff coming out now, including this...

Yeah, because the production is what counts.
Forget the songs.
As long as the production is nice and modern who cares about the songs? Pfft. Songs. Load of shite. Give me a nice production any day.
Etc.

RIP is a classic, because the songs are all amazing. Even "Dawn Patrol" kicks the shit out of anything Megadeth has done since (okay, possibly nostalgia talking here). There's nothing to get over, no one is expecting an album as good as RIP again. It's never gonna happen.

However, UA and the new one are great. (I just wish the new one didn't have crappy solos on it).

[sevser]

Yes...things can sound "lifeless" when new technology is over used...We can say that in any era. (Good ol Nickleback highlights this fact...among others) I remember thinking this in the 80's with the advent of Simmons drums and other crappy Casio laden crap...4 algorithm, 2 bit sounds...

However...in the right hands, the technology can produce some great stuff. I feel that This new production is a "Good" example of that. As you already know...The tools we have to work with today alow things that were impossible to do before.

One of the things that seems better acoss the board is drum production. (Brian: Shawn is NOT sloppy BTW)

I may have been harsh...but thats what gets the point across, all be it in a round about way...RIP was a nice peice of work...and now, everything MD does get compaired to it...18 years and a handful of releases later...its getting rediculous...(To me) It is subjective to a point...but not when it comes to sonic capability. The clarity, compression, seperetion and so on...all superior. Musicianship (On a technical ability level) superior...And with the first listen...(To me) the songs are equaly as strong.

EDIT: Where did I ever state that production was the only thing I care about? I DO think (Subjective) the new songs ARE awesome!

[MartinBarre]

Musicianship (On a technical ability level) superior...

Musicianship? You think Broderick is a better player than Marty?
I'm pretty sure Marty could do a Pac-Man impression if he wanted to.

[Brian]

(Brian: Shawn is NOT sloppy BTW)

That's nice. Who said he was sloppy?

Nobody.

What was said is his style and feel are much looser than Menza. This is not an insult or saying that his playing is poor or in YOUR words, "sloppy." Matter of fact I said he's a great drummer.

It's nothing more than noting how the music feels more laid back with him playing. Just as it did with Degrasso playing. Just like the material Samuelson and Behler recorded sounded more energetic and frantic when Menza played it. None of them were horrible drummers. They just all brought a different feel and energy to the music. Without disrespecting any prior or present members I personally think Menza complimented Mustaine more than any other. Simple as that.

[Endrik]

One of the things that seems better acoss the board is drum production.

that's one of the things actually gotten a lot worse.

good sound is achieved in huge rooms with great acoustics.

more and more there's very small studios... it's impossible to get all that air and power captured in a small space.
and what they do is make everything only close miced... that makes the drums sound tiny and clicky.

and then there's a whole new generation of hacks who can only play with triggers. and no matter how hard you try to make the samples sound good, they are still samples and samples sound clipped when it all comes together.

another crucial thing is 2 inch tape... it makes the biggest difference for the drum sound... no digital gadget can get that big sound as analog tape. and people rarely use tape these days as it's very expensive.

and of course it's the way how people tune the drums these days... pretty laughable... the kicks lack any depth, heaviness and bottom end "boom".
toms and snare sound tiny and without sustain.
the beater heads are all tuned higher than the resonant heads.
often the kicks are filled with so much pillows or are without resonant head. there's no need for any of that if they would just learn how to tune their drums correctly.

[Brian]

All very good points Endrik.

You hit the nail on the head though in regards to all of it really. Cost.

The way things are done today (sound replace everything) they only need to capture the performance. So why spend time and money properly tuning the drums or renting a huge room to track in when it's all going to be sampled anyway?