Tell me what you don't like about the new SoCals

[Grandturk]

You do have a choice - if you want a modern, recessed Floyd, buy a Jackson. If you want a awesome, killer old-skool shred monster with a proper non-recessed Floyd, buy a Charvel.

[Evol]

Ahh, it's about being "proper" to you then. WTF would it hurt to give people the option of having a recessed Floyd on these? It makes no sense to pay custom shop prices for a recess, different sustain block and straight neck angle.

As far as Jackson, well if they made a 22-fret, maple fret board, full size strat body, with strat head AND a recessed Floyd at production prices, I would buy one (or more) in a heartbeat. Plenty others would too.

But they don't. So you're wrong, that isn't much of a choice.

[toejam]

But I WANT a recessed trem. That's the whole point. I don't want a pull-up route. I like the strings closer to the body anyhow.

Well, they are using a 37mm block on them instead of the 42, so it is a little closer to the body, just not a 32 like you'd probably prefer on a recessed trem.

[Grandturk]

Tell you what - I wouldn't have bought one if it had a recessed Floyd. I wouldn't have bought the Adrian Smith if it had a recessed Floyd. Been there, done it. I don't like recessed Floyds.

[Evol]

Tell you what - I wouldn't have bought one if it had a recessed Floyd. I wouldn't have bought the Adrian Smith if it had a recessed Floyd. Been there, done it. I don't like recessed Floyds.

So if you have the option you would buy the non-recessed floyd and be happy, correct?

That's all I'm asking for, is to have the option, not for them to change the guitar to only one type.

[Evol]

Well, they are using a 37mm block on them instead of the 42, so it is a little closer to the body, just not a 32 like you'd probably prefer on a recessed trem.

Yah, I've played some, they aren't bad, but it's still hard for me to get used to the strings being that high up. I sure do love the necks though, and would love to have some to replace my GMW as my main player!

[Grandturk]

So if you have the option you would buy the non-recessed floyd and be happy, correct?

That's all I'm asking for, is to have the option, not for them to change the guitar to only one type.

but if they offered that, it would effectively limit my options to those models not featuring the recessed Floyd. Dig: when they first came out there were 6 different choices. Say they did the socal with a recessed floyd - that would limit my choices to 4.

[Evol]

Jesus, this really isn't hard. What I'm talking about is making a non-recessed AND recessed of each model. That's all they need to do, and they will instantly gain newer customer while keeping their older ones happy.

Also, you're complaining about having your choices limited, put yourself in the shoes of those of us who prefer a recessed floyd, right now we don't have a limited choice, we have NO choice.

Which is silly in today's guitar market.

[Grandturk]

There's more guitars out there with recessed Floyds than without.

[Evol]

There are no Charvels though, not without going custom shop. This thread is about them, so you should ask yourself why in the hell are you giving someone crap about their preference since it doesn't affect you in any way?

[Grandturk]

There are no Charvels though, not without going custom shop. This thread is about them, so you should ask yourself why in the hell are you giving someone crap about their preference since it doesn't affect you in any way?

I'm not giving you crap. I'm just expressing my opinion. I hope my opinion is not causing you personal grief.

And here's why I'm speaking up: somebody out there didn't speak up and say that a transparant kandy magenta finish was a bad idea and they went ahead and made it. I don't want the same thing to happen with a recessed Floyd.

[Evol]

Uhm, you don't have to buy it, plenty of others will.

[m2pmd70]

The less options and variations they provide the faster and more cheaply they can make 'em. I think that's what it boils down to.

I also prefer recessed trems, but I don't think it would make sense for these guitars or the market they're targeted at.

[Evol]

You have a point, even though the change isn't much, they would have to use a different sustain block, route the recess and use a straight angle on the neck pocket.

I do think the market they are targeted are mainly hard rock/metal players, and alot of them prefer the recess. Why not do it if it sells more guitars?

It's certainly the only thing holding me and others back from owning several.

[Ben...]

You have a point, even though the change isn't much, they would have to use a different sustain block, route the recess and use a straight angle on the neck pocket.

I do think the market they are targeted are mainly hard rock/metal players, and alot of them prefer the recess. Why not do it if it sells more guitars?

It's certainly the only thing holding me and others back from owning several.

I think the market for these is more the older style metal guys who would want one of these. Most young people (other than me) wouldn't take a second look at these things. These are more for the Van Halen loving 80's metal people than the extreme metal loving kids. What do the Van Halen people want? Older style Super Strats; Stratheads, 22 frets, maple, non-recessed Floyds, SDs etc. while the younger people want EMGs, 24 frets, recessed Floyds, pointy shapes and headstocks. If you make a mix then neither market will truly be happy. Why not focus on marketing Jacksons for the new generation while focusing Charvel (A name guitar players who were around in the 80's can connect with for players like Van Halen, Jake E. Lee etc.) on the people with musical tastes that Charvels have traditionally been part of. I've always more associated Jackson with later 80's (Like Thrash etc.) to current metal while Charvel has always been in the more traditional 80's stuff.