Tell me what you don't like about the new SoCals

[Evol]

Uh, so I guess I'm the only "older" style metal guy who wants a recessed floyd? Hmm, I doubt that.

It's a small change, and all I ask for, please Charvel let's have an updated playing guitar!

[Zaneus]

I wouldnt say it's a terrible idea for charvel to release a limited edition run of recessed Charvels but its honestly not a good business move to make recessed versions of their guitars in a continued production run.

[Newc]

And how are they going to convince the same dealers to carry both versions in these tough economic times?
There's no room in business for "trial runs" of how well a guitar sells in a given area.

Say Nick at PineyHills takes a chance and gets 3 recessed Floyd models in his hypothetical 10 Charvel order - the other 7 are non-recessed.

Those 3 fly off the wall, so the next time he orders half and half but ends up stuck with 5 recessed-Floyded models that no one wants. He just found out the hard way that he only has 3 customers that wanted a recessed Floyd. Or maybe they liked the recess but not the color, so they're waiting for the next batch. And the next. And the next.

Now reverse that whole scenario for Shibs or Matt'sMusic or Copperhead or whoever - the recessed models sell but the originals don't, and that store is stuck with them.

Do your own mods. The strings don't have to be an inch off the body. The action is low enough to do whatever you do, and yes, all you need is a pullup route, not a full-on recess.

Or better, get a Jackson and endure the horror of them not being Charvel Stratheads.

[Evol]

So what you're saying is no one should have a choice to get something they prefer. Well, it's the only reason I don't own several of these guitars. Your comparison could also be made on the basis of color, why not make them all black? Better yet, let's just leave primer on them and you paint them yourself. how about that?

Hell, make them with just one pickup! Carve out your own neck pickup route with a spoon! Do your own mods!

Tough economic times? C'mon, this crap is just a "purist" excuse. Ask yourself why in the hell you care if someone has the option of having a route that has been offered for over 20 years on almost all Floyded guitars that have no problem selling. They are on the 7th batch of these, you think making a few with a recessed route is going to bankrupt the company and all the dealers? BS! The custom shop runs with a recessed Floyd sold just fine it seems, so your point doesn't make sense.

I do NOT need a pullup route, I want a full recess. It's what I prefer, and it's what I have on my GMW's, which I would love to replace with Charvels instead.

Funny you say to get a Jackson, first of all I have several, and I know you know they are different animals, but from those arguing from a purist standpoint, Jackson's originally came with non-recessed Floyd, and how many models have them now? None? And they still sell? Hmmm, how strange...

[Hellbat]

I like non-recessed floyds. I find it harder to palm mute on recessed designs. You have to remember the design goal for these guitars which was to provide people with a solid base for modding or "hot-rodding" them. It's easier to remove wood to add a recess than add wood back to remove one.

[Evol]

Of which neither should have to be done. We should have both options.

[Grandturk]

why not make them all black?

+1. Best idea yet. Worked for Henry Ford.

[Evol]

Hehe

[T@rgetDrone]

Remain NON-Recessed PLEASE! It seems as though they are selling well, as is. If it ain't broke......

I can pull up on my ProMod to my satisfaction and the action is still low enough. I would not have bought the Promod if it had a recessed trem. There's already a gazillion other guitars out there w/that option. Now that I have a ProMod, I can't put it down and want at least one or two more (for the cool colors and to change pg's, pickups and maybe chrome hw).

That said, we all have our wish list for changes, options, etc. And I do respect each person's right and will to express theirs. But I just do not see how offering a recessed and non-recessed version, x2 (SD/SoCal), would be a particularly good move, overall. As mentioned, it would require 2 more body styles, possibly slow production, increase the cost for everyone, and dealers would have to play higher risk roulette with the orders and reorders.

[Evol]

Oh BS. This time around they have what, different pickup configs, different harware colors, different fretboard woods, new graphic paint jobs, and you're telling me that slowed production and increased the cost for everyone?

Of course it didn't. All these arguments against having at least ONE model with a recessed Floyd, that get this -- YOU DON'T HAVE TO BUY, are so transparent and not even remotely grounded in reality.

It's bias, and it's silly.

[Grandturk]

And yet, they couldn't cut a blade style switch on the HSS San Dimas? If they couldn't do that, I'd bet they couldn't do the neck pocket and the trem recess.

[Evol]

Yah I thought that was kinda weird too

[Matt_B]

And yet, they couldn't cut a blade style switch on the HSS San Dimas?

Yah I thought that was kinda weird too

That was a very bad decision on their part IMHO and reeks of "cost cutting measure". In all my years of playing, I have never seen a HSS with just a 3 way toggle. That is an overflowing bucket of fail.

[Grandturk]

I'd even be cool with a 3-way blade switch - which I actually prefer to the 5-way. But yeah - someone please show me one other guitar that uses a 3-way toggle in the same manner. Please.

[Matt_B]

I'd even be cool with a 3-way blade switch - which I actually prefer to the 5-way.

Please excuse me for asking but why do you say this? I'm assuming there's something I'm missing about the 3-way blade switch you're referring to as far as pickup combinations go.