Tell me what you don't like about the new SoCals

[Evol]

Huh? There would be no need to make thousands. Heck the new graphics are limited to 125 total with a 100 and 200 dollar upcharge. Start with a group and then expand from there just like they are already doing. Seems like too many people are over-reacting to the thought a freaking modern trem route on a new guitar.

[Grandturk]

Well... I would not even pick up a new guitar with a recessed trem route and I've bought two ProMods. And I wouldn't have bought the Adrian smith Jackson if it had a recessed trem. So there's three actual sales J/C would have lost if they did that.

[nhspike]

I don't have one

That's the main thing I don't like about them

[Zaneus]

Someone's a bit of a grumpy guss.

Huh? There would be no need to make thousands.

Thats exactly what i've been saying all along. I dont understand why you're disagreeing with me. So lets get my point clear

-Recessed route for batch 8. Im for it.
-Recessed route in an on going production. Im not for it.

That's what ive been saying all along. No need to take what im saying out of context or try to belittle me. It gets you nowhere and makes you look like a prick.

[Evol]

Well... I would not even pick up a new guitar with a recessed trem route and I've bought two ProMods. And I wouldn't have bought the Adrian smith Jackson if it had a recessed trem. So there's three actual sales J/C would have lost if they did that.

So you wouldn't have bought 3 guitars if they ALSO offered a recessed trem? No one is saying that they should ALL be recessed, maybe a recessed production model that players who prefer them can buy.

[Evol]

It gets you nowhere and makes you look like a prick.

Same to you pal. You're the one who called my idea idiotic, even though there are others here that want the same thing, and also acted like you worked in the marketing department for Charvel, so there ya go. If I took something out of context, please feel free to enlighten me.

-Recessed route for batch 8. Im for it.

Me too, but only on 1 model, maybe a limited set like they did with the graphics this time around.

-Recessed route in an on going production. Im not for it.

Now, here's what doesn't make sense, if they sell, and they will to those players that like them, then why not have a production model with a recess? Even if it's an ongoing limited set each time around at least those of us that need them could order them.

[Snoogans]

I don't have one
That's the main thing I don't like about them

Yeah, I really hate that too!

[ZZB]

Yeah, I really hate that too!

I also lament the fact that you and Spike don't have one.

[Mazz]

Someone's a bit of a grumpy guss.

How is that being grumpy? Am I missing something? :think:

[skintaster]

I'll be the first to say that I'm not an expert on Charvels or an employee of their marketing team, but I imagine that it's possible that their are a couple of reasons that they haven't released a recessed trem model (At least yet).

I get the impression (Could be wrong) that Fender is still "testing the waters" with the new Charvels in general. Personally, I'd take any of the new Charvels over a Fender any day, but I'd bet that the brand represents a tiny fraction of sales compared to the Fender mothership. It seems that the production Charvels have so far been promoted as a kind of retro design..."The original hotrod strat", or whatever. I think that Fender is primarily marketing these guitars to people that want to play a more "old school" design.

I think the other deciding factor is probably production costs. I can't imagine that it's uber expensive for a company owned by Fender to build a few guitar bodies that have cavities for a recessed trem, but it probably would add to the cost a bit. I believe that the primary reason that more options haven't been introduced is because the company is trying to keep costs down. Hopefully, if Charvel continues to be a success they'll realize the need to offer more options to sell to a wider audience.

After all, it took a while for a one pickup model to be introduced, and it's been a popular option.

Anyway, I realize that I haven't said anything that hasn't already been said... But back to the original question for this thread, these guitars offer a quality instrument that's ideal for customizing, and don't cost an arm and a leg. I've had my So-Call for a good while now, with no problems so far. It's replaced several much more expensive instruments as my main live/recording guitar.

Is the quality custom shop level? No, but it's pretty good... I'm just not the kind of guy that would go on stage with a 3 or 4 thousand dollar instrument. I wouldn't even keep one at my practice space. I could afford one, but I'm not the kind of person that wants to baby an instrument or treat it like a Ming vase. I play metal/industrial rock and need an instrument that can take a little abuse (Not intentionally inflicted). I've found the new Charvels to be ideal for my needs.

I could buy a more modern "metal" style guitar, and have owned quite a few, but I dig the retro features and simplicity of the Charvel. I started playing guitar in the early 80's, and it's the kind of design I grew up playing, and am comfortable with.

[jwoods986]

The deal breakers for me, and the reason that I don't and probably won't ever own any are:

1.) Non-Recessed Floyd
2.) No Rosewood Boards
3.) No Contoured Heal

I'm with you on 1. and 3. (but not 2., I LOVE the maple board!), with 3. probably being the biggest reason for not getting one yet - short fingers don't work well on chunky block heels. Which is also the main reason I haven't picked up a PGM100RE, 770DX reissue, etc.

[Grandturk]

Hopefully, if Charvel continues to be a success they'll realize the need to offer more options to sell to a wider audience.

+1 to almost everything you said, except the point that recessing the Floyd would appeal to a wider audience. Selling a guitar with a Floyd is already massively narrowing the potential customer base. I'd wager to say these days - and I have no numbers to prove it - that guitars with locking trems account for 5% of the total guitars produced. That's a pretty small niche. A recessed Floyd is not going to widen the appeal of a Floyded guitar.

I'm with you on 1. and 3. (but not 2., I LOVE the maple board!), with 3. probably being the biggest reason for not getting one yet - short fingers don't work well on chunky block heels. Which is also the main reason I haven't picked up a PGM100RE, 770DX reissue, etc.

The scalloped, angled neck heel on the 770DX is really comfy - on mine (an original 770 DX) its like its not even there - definately give it a try.

[Rich#6]

I'm sorry but let's see. Recessed floyd, rosewood board, pointy headstock-let's toss in a dinky body and what do we have a Jackson.:idea:

[Jimmy Jackson]

First post, howdy!!

I have a Pagan Gold So-Cal.

What I do not like about it.

The matte pickguard is not my thing, the truss rod adjustment at the heal is a pain when you need to make an adjustment, this is my biggest dislike on the guitar.

Lack of a tone knob. I did add a tone knob and think it really added to the versatility of the Evo in the neck. It can be a really bright pickup, so now, if I want that really warmed up clean sound, I have it. Really pleased with that little mod.

I would love to have the tooth paste logo on the headstock, I guess this is doable, but folks would think it was an after market neck if I ever sold the guitar. I guess that is not a big deal though.

The floyd strikes me as being on the cheep side, it's just thin everywhere, the arm comes loose very quickly as well.

So that's it. Over all I have to say that I think it is a really cool guitar and am very pleased with it, it's a keeper.

[jwoods986]

The floyd strikes me as being on the cheep side, it's just thin everywhere, the arm comes loose very quickly as well.

Are they not using German-made OFR's on these? Although, it wouldn't surprise me if they aren't, seems the term "Original Floyd Rose" doesn't mean much anymore.