7th batch

[jmsaxon69]

Sorted out = sorted, not hard to figure out....

[John.E.Fawkes]

know what really grinds my gears...
the older charvels had a route for the single coils that was a perfect fit
why the fuck have they got those horrible huge routing for the singles in that hss?! it looks totally disgusting and cheap!

[wanthairspray]

Maybe in case people want to replace with "lipped" singles?

[jhale667]

Alright, I want a Blue Flame one...

[Chubtone]

know what really grinds my gears...
the older charvels had a route for the single coils that was a perfect fit
why the fuck have they got those horrible huge routing for the singles in that hss?! it looks totally disgusting and cheap!

Those are correct single coil routs. MANY single coils have a kind of triangular base plate. The Duncan SSL's I'm looking at right now have that. Those thin single coil routs they used to do would only fit about half of the available single coil pickups out there.

Disgusting and cheap? Maybe John Suhr and Tom Anderson should do something that doesn't look disgusting and cheap? I mean especially for guitars that are $4000.

Anderson:


Suhr:


I don't mean to be such a Charvel apologist but....... when their $1100 guitars feature an identical characteristic as the top of the line boutique builders guitars, I don't think it's fair to bash them for it.

[Grandturk]

+1

That's the way single coil routes look.

[Newc]

+1

That's the way single coil routes look.

And there's no logical reason for them to look that way. Single coils should be made tabless, with the leads coming out of the bottom the way they used to be when Jackson was doing the untabbed routes. It's neater that way, and the same pickups would still fit under a pickguard with no problem.

Even Duncan changed their Lil/Jr/Stack designs so the leads come out of the middle where the tab would be, and it's impossible to fit them in an older Jackson without chiseling out some wood.

[Grandturk]

And there's no logical reason for them to look that way. Single coils should be made tabless, with the leads coming out of the bottom the way they used to be when Jackson was doing the untabbed routes. It's neater that way, and the same pickups would still fit under a pickguard with no problem.

Leo made them with tabs. They should still have tabs on them. Tabs = tone!

[tonemonster]

Fuck the tabs. seriously. that is true. And I dont care what anderson and suhr ask for their guitars, IMO they have substandard components. Suhr's have gotoh trems on them. I mean COME ON MAN!!!!!! put OFRs on them!!!! thats just BS. and the anderson one has the crappy trem non floyd style. there is NO way I would buy a guitar with a non floyd trem.

I am all for the "model" series style correct single coil routes that charvel did on their import stuff.

I have always disliked the look of the tabs because you can see the wiring down in the cavity. it looks cheap and unfinished. I have that on my 97 DK1. looks cheap.

I played a few new Suhrs recently in a store. the guy working their was all hard on for them. He found out I played jackson and was trying to sell me one. so I played it. he was waiting for me to be totally impressed. when I was done, he said, "what did you think?" I said......well.......its "ok". but it aint great. he acted insulted. and asked why? I said, well for starters they take a beautiful guitar with flame maple and cover it with a frickin pickgaurd. now that is just plain stupid to me. totally stupid. then it had a gotoh floyd. wrong. NFG. not on a guitar that costs $3k. I dont think so. the neck is nice on it, but its not any better than any of my soloists. I dont get the hype. good guitars, but not worth what they ask for them. not by a long shot.

[Grandturk]

There's some people out there who like those Gotoh Licensed Floyds. I don't think I've ever tried one.

[Newc]

You can route under the top of the body for a single coil tab without screwing up the top itself. Hell, I've done it with a hand chisel, and I'm no luthier.

The top is nice and square, and there's room for the tab beneath.

[tonemonster]

Only licensed Floyd I have ever liked is the Schaller. every other one I have tried leaves alot to be desired. but thats just opinion too.

[waylay00]

Actually, Suhr used to use OFRs on all his locking trem guitars, but he released a statement as to how the quality in each successive batch was decreasing. He switched to Gotohs, which IMO, are just as good, if not better.

[85 San Dimas]

It just doesn't work for me in anything doing any type of music. I can't play along with anything that sounds like it. A ToneZone sounds closer to classic Iron Maiden than the JB does.

I do like the JB in the neck, though, and the JBJr (ceramic magnet).

I just don't care for the JB in the bridge of anything.

Just remember that the JB is the answer to a question you haven't asked.

Go back to the 80's when it was THE popular humbucker at the bridge. These pickups hit the streets around the same general time as the JCM800's were being designed so there were few high gain amps. Bass rigs were nothing like they are today, and drums were just beginning to be mixed so far forward. The JB "cuts", and when mixed with alder, maple, an overdrive, an echo, a Floyd, and a 70's Marshall JMP 50 or 100 watt head (which were used well into the 80's by big LA Bands) they combined for that 80's lead guitar sound and lent well to hammer-ons/pull-offs "live".
They also are good for bands with keyboards thickening the mix.

That isn't the popular sound now, and with high and ultra high gain amps you can't "back-up" into those sounds. Close maybe, but not there. You don't really get Def Leppard "High 'N Dry" out of a high gain amp, you need to overdrive a lower gain into submission. Eddie was melting Marshalls faster than the crew could buy replacements (no lie). I'm always amazed when I grab my Wayne at the "high end" present in this combination (and I play through my '78 JMP the most, then my '84 JCM800, and then I have a '92-'93 Soldano Hot Rod 50 that I use if I'm looking for that "equalized" high gain sound. I have different combinations of wood/pickup that work best with each. One amp that might have enough flexibility to get you there might be a Boogie if you avoid double and triple recs.

Back to the thread: I'm waiting for batch 13. The Fiesta is such a non-Charvie color, but I love that color on a Strat. I guess we;'ll be seeing some Am. Stds that color as well.
Fiesta Red though, always looks best with gold hardware................IMHO.

[Newc]

I can tolerate the JB in the bridge if I'm tuned down to D AND not playing along to Sabbath, Maiden, or Priest, but even then it just doesn't sound "right" to me.

I was never a big enough fan of most 80s Hair/LA Metal to want to play it. Motley Crue, VH, WASP, and Twisted Sister was about all I liked that well. Never did care for Def Lep, didn't like RATT enough to learn it, and couldn't stand Dokken or Bon Jovi, so copping those tones is not a priority for me.

Might pick up Theater of Pain and Girls Girls Girls on CD and brush up on the Crue I used to play on a Salmon Pink Kramer Focus 1000 bakinnaday

I know I've got Last Command around here somewhere.....


But yeah, Fiesta Red is a Fender color, not really a Charvel color.

Nice try, though.