Charvels vs GMW's

[Hossman]

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Nothing like coming to a Forum to share your hobby and get grilled for not knowing the difference between a "pre Pro" and non serialized guitar.( I still say there is NO DAMN difference.)


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Your RIGHT 100% no damn difference DOOOHHHH - Thanks for Sharing - There are some differences between "Pre-pro" and "Serialized" (like a serial plate with a number) DOOHHH

Cheers - Have a Great Holiday all

[Greg Crowe]

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I'll go out on a limb and say that GMW's are closer to a San Dimas Charvel than what FMIC/Charvel/Jackson is putting out today. The bodies and necks from GMW's Charvels were made on the original 70's/80's Charvel templates for Christsakes.

I've been wondering what Lee's reaction to FMIC stepping on his dick regarding the stratheads is going to be. You've got to remember, GMW is VERY! well connected with Charvel/Jackson. If I were Lee, I'd start charging Jackson $200 more on each graphic that Dan Lawrence paints [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

[Badseed]

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Greg, i do know that jackson dropped him as a dealer.

Interesting point you bring up, never thought about it that way.

[kickaxeguitars]

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I agree 100% with you Greg.. Lee is not my favorite guy on the planet but I think he(his business and his associates) actully helped bring the old school shredd mystique a much needed breathe of fresh air.

I think Jackson used GMW as a marketing research tool then spit them out when they realized Jackson could get 100% of the pie with GMW out of the way.

This, I blame Fender for and Jackson. It's typical big business tactics and VERY "Fender-esqu".. You would thing Eddie Van halen owned Fender as they both have this huge "don't copy me" mentality (Which stems from little penis syndrome.. Sure sighns of little penis syndrome are: Monster trucks,New Corvettes,Huge Charvel collections and "don't copy me" syndrome.)

Anyway, there are enough "empoyee projects" and nice bootlegs still being built so It's really just a drop in the bucket.. It's still bullshit, but very minimal...

[slo100]

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(Which stems from little penis syndrome.. Sure sighns of little penis syndrome are: Monster trucks,New Corvettes,Huge Charvel collections and "don't copy me" syndrome.)


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Projection : A defense mechanism, operating unconsciously, in which what is emotionally unacceptable in the self is unconsciously rejected and attributed (projected) to others.

[Jim Shine]

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Whatever anyone says about Charvels, I think they are an ABSOLUTE waste of money in the vintage market. 3-Large for an S-Head?? WTF... I love finding them and flippin em for big money-that's it..

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Show me a vintage standard production solid body guitar that is truely worth more than $3-4K. Strats, Teles, Les Pauls from the 50's are all over priced and are worth the bucks as historical pieces of artwork, not as guitars. Sure, they began gaining desireability when guitar quality was in the toilet and players wanted a good guitar. Now they are desireable as investments and are no more special to some owners than a Tiffany lamp or a stock certificate. Atleast most collectors of C/J's appreciate them for what they are, guitars. When the main interest is on the bottom line, C/J guitars are not very desireable unless you happen across one cheap in a pawn shop.

[~K~]

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This, I blame Fender for and Jackson. It's typical big business tactics and VERY "Fender-esqu".. You would thing Eddie Van halen owned Fender as they both have this huge "don't copy me" mentality (Which stems from little penis syndrome.. Sure sighns of little penis syndrome are: Monster trucks,New Corvettes,Huge Charvel collections and "don't copy me" syndrome.)


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No this comes from good business sense. Why if you could prevent someone from cloning your work and making money off of your ideas would you let them? It's great, when it's the little guy they get pissed off but because it's big business it suddenly becomes bogus. Wasn't this idea of trademark,patents,copywright etc to protect peoples ideas and products?

At the end of the day if you can keep your business profitable and your employees working thats good business sense. If you have a product and someone is stealing from you then you have to do what it takes to keep your product unique and cash flow coming in the door.. Bottom line theft is still theft.. it just depends on what side of the line you are on as to how big a deal it is to you ..

[Ralph E.]

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The problem i've always had with Fender is that they don't offer me what I want in a strathead guitar. If I want a 12" radius fingerboard, 2 hum, no pickguard, floyd my only option is to go spend $2500+ on a custom shop Fender. Sorry, no way is any bolt-on guitar worth that, and as soon as I buy it, the value drops 40%.

That's why I don't see how GMW, Charvel (back in the day), and all the other choices that they are shutting down are really stealing. If these small shops are offering me a product that Fender doesn't, how can you say they are stealing something that doesn't exist?

[hippietim]

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they are stealing the visual design. clearly the headstock design is a big deal, otherwise nobody would make such a fuss about getting a strathead.

fender isn't saying that gmw can't make you a 12" radius, 2 hum, no pickguard, floyd guitar - they're just saying that gmw has to come up with their own design.

[hippietim]

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as i've mentioned in other threads, i'm hoping that these aggressive moves by fender and gibson actually push some more creative designs. i love new shapes and innovations. if i want a strat or a les paul, fender or gibson really do it better than anyone else for the most part.

[Ralph E.]

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The problem for me is that I don't want a new design. 99.9% of them suck ass. I still say if Fender does not offer me what I want, then I should be able to go somewhere I can.

Just my opinion, which is obviously in disagreement with the lawyers and moneymakers. Hmmm, not a bad place to be...

[Toby]

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As I already mentioned in my initial post, I am sure GMW's are great guitars. I understand that people here like them.

What I don't understand is, why some people, who suggest to better buy a GMW instead of a Charvel, suggest (in other threads in this forum) to put a Charvel logo onto a GMW headstock. If they like GMWs better than Charvels, why they cannot commit to it? This was my initial question, and it's still unanswered.

[hippietim]

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they like tht way it looks.

[Ralph E.]

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I agree with you Toby, 100%.

I have 1 GMW, it has a GMW logo. I was about to order another before Fender came down on Lee, and it was also going to have a GMW logo.

[shreddermon]

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Well, Toby, part of that equation is that Charvel (cough...FMIC...cough) refuses to build us custom ordered stratheads. GMW did. They were meeting a market demand that is not otherwise being supplied. And they were doing it with equal or better quality, and at a much lower price.

IMHO, many of the people who touted GMW for their replicas wouldn't have been half as much interested if Lee had charged the same money as a Charvel custom shop order. That's not meant as a knock on GMW in the least bit. Lee's a great guy and his guitars are awesome. I just mean that I highly suspect that a lot of the guys touting GMW instead of Charvel wouldn't be singing the same song if the price were comparable and they didn't have the "cache" of going to a small shop. The equation of equal quality + lower price + small shop = the trifecta of perception in the mindsets of those who don't like "big business".

And then there were many others - myself included - who dug GMW guitars because they were just like the "real" Charvels of old, and they'd build exaclty what you want. I couldn't care less if GMW were the smallest or biggest manufacturer on earth, and I'd still be interested at a higher price point. I just couldn't afford quite as many. [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]