SD Forensics Experts - got a live one here

[Badseed]

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I just read an old interview with Richie Blackmore where he says he used to glue his necks in.Why, i dont know.

[Jim Shine]

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Sometimes that also happens when a neck with soft finish is bolted on and after it cures and bonds to the neckpocket, breaks some surface wood away when it is disassembled. I see it on refinished Fenders quite often.

[Newc]

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Odd way to make a shim - chip out the neck pocket and put the shim....over the hole? [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/poke.gif[/img]

Actually I thought it may have been a shim as well, but then noticed the chip in the pocket.

I can't imagine anyone gluing the neck, but then again look at the holes in the pocket - kinda eggish.

Is it possible to order a Warmoth neck without their deeply woodburned heel stamp?
Could it be a GMW neck?

[Jim Shine]

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Warmoths were not always woodburnt.

[BLOOD SPLATTER]

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Not a GMW neck,I agree that it's most likely Warmoth!!

[rps14a]

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well its at least $400 woth of parts, try reasoning that with them! [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

[Chuckracer]

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I used to glue my three bolt strat necks cause they would shift a little on you.
A lot can happen to these guitars over the years. Somebody probably dropped a little woodglue in there at some point.

[Newc]

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Ah, cool.

Anyhoo, here's the back pics:

















Looking at the control cavity, I should be seeing a brass plate in there, correct? Looks like a freshly routed cavity to me, or one that has very recently been stripped of the brass shielding plate, probably to add the extra switches. Or maybe it was taken out and has been sealed up all these years?
Surface-mounted trem cover I see.
Also it has the rear bevel, unlike my Shattered Glass and 83 SD Stars, but I have seen those on other SD Stars.

In looking at the Front pic posted earlier, does something about the long wing look odd? Like maybe it's too long and/or narrow, or at the wrong angle?

[~K~]

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The route looks ok but yes there should be a brass shield in there. Most times when Charvies were modded people pulled them out instead of adding holes to the plates. The thing is though .. that cavity should be painted and it looks like bare wood.. makes me think this is an "employee" body that left unfinished.Is it sanded out or was it never painted? The non-recessed trem cover is period correct...

[Newc]

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I'm thinking it was cleared at one time (maybe a natural finish?) as you can see what looks like clearcoat on the bottom of the cavity and along the corners, but for some reason the edges, as you point out, look raw.

Would the control cavity cover screw holes have any bearing on IDing it? Like maybe their distance "into" the beveled edge?

[~K~]

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Covers, plates , etc are always a funny thing because they can vary dependent upon their manufacturer.. If they ordered a bunch of plates and then changed their vendor then they might be different.. I think the best person to answer hole distance would be Tracy as he has so many examples over the years. The thing that throws a wrench in the theory is where the plate comes from .. IE: Buying an employee body and adding a plate that was haning around from a parted out guitar..

[gtrbuyer]

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The cavity route looks fine...bare wood or cleared was found on early serialized ones and even some late prepro bodiess. Noting that the trem cavity is painted but the control cavity is not; I am dating the body around the 1400 -1600ish serial range.

Here is some examples from my collection.
http://usacharvels.com/charvel/charv...1609cavity.JPG
http://usacharvels.com/charvel/charv...ra1224trem.JPG

The brass plate being removed is no biggie. The scew hole pattern for the trem cover is indicating serialized time frame (around serial 1500ish from my experience)...note the top middle hole is closer to the neck than the bottom middle screw hole...very early serials and late prepros had different hole pattern.

Here is an example
http://usacharvels.com/charvel/charv...09control1.JPG
also see the links above.

Class dismissed....(Van Halen tune should come into your head now..lol)

[~K~]

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Hmm .. I'd swear the route was painted in the reaper.. thats 15xx .. Chuck?

[gtrbuyer]

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Kev some were painted some were not in that time frame (majority were not). Remember serial numbers does not always reflect the time frame...that is serials were not always used sequentially.

I have a lot of other examples over on my site..again ball park and "general" time frames need to be stressed but teh general trends can clearly be seen.

Here is 1556 Kev, no paint in control but paint in trem
http://usacharvels.com/charvel/charv...556control.JPG
Later serial #2143 has same paint in trem cavity, no paint in control cavity
http://usacharvels.com/charvel/charv...43P1010124.JPG

Very early serials have no paint in either the trem or control cavities
http://usacharvels.com/charvel/charv...128control.JPG

Again always exceptions but based on my own collection the trends hold up pretty well. Good to know all my analness and pic taking comes to some good use.

[gtrbuyer]

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Kev the reaper has serial number 1567 and has paint in trem cavity and looks likeover spray in the control acvity, that is you do see black paint in the control cavity but it looks more like overspray as opposed to be painted. I will send ya a pic Kev to post.