The new Charvels suck....

[Shawn]

Re: The new Charvels both rock AND suck

Well Senor, could we start by getting people their certificates for their 25th anniversaries, so those of us that own multiple new Charvels can actually prove to other people that we own these $1800 ($4000 msrp) guitars? I appreciate the effort to stand behind my guitars, and I look forward to complementing you on a job well done once the ENTIRE purchase is finished.

I didnt pay in installments, and I dont expect to have to beg for the the guitar to be complete.





Shawn

[Tekky]

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Well Senor, could we start by getting people their certificates for their 25th anniversaries, so those of us that own multiple new Charvels can actually prove to other people that we own these $1800 guitars?


Shawn

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It may actually be a dealer issue, but Shawn, couldn't you have put that in a more polite manner? John takes time to answer questions and interact with the members. The least we could do is show him some respect for it. With the treatment he and other FMIC employees have gotten in the past, it would be well within his right to tell us all to f-off.

Secondly, I'll back up John's comments about the care that the employees put into making the guitars. I've been to the shop. It's an amazing sight. All sides of the house (Fender, Bennedetto, and Jackson/Charvel - there might be another group in there too) are top notch artisans.

[Shawn]

Re: The new Charvels both rock AND suck

Tekky, all due respect to both of you, and I do mean that, but are you crazy? Tell us to F-off? The marketing director of FMIC is going to tell a guy that buys his product the way I do to F-off? I would never go into the "Ask Jackson" thread and post this, but if someone comes into a post about quality issues, where, btw, I have been a major proponent of the new stuff, and tells me all is well, I am going to call a spade a spade.


Shawn

[Shawn]

Re: The new Charvels both rock AND suck

I have tried to get this issue resolved a million ways, how do I go about it?


Shawn

[Tekky]

Re: The new Charvels both rock AND suck

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Tekky, all due respect to both of you, and I do mean that, but are you crazy? Tell us to F-off? The marketing director of FMIC is going to tell a guy that buys his product the way I do to F-off? I would never go into the "Ask Jackson" thread and post this, but if someone comes into a post about quality issues, where, btw, I have been a major proponent of the new stuff, and tells me all is well, I am going to call a spade a spade.


Shawn

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No I'm not crazy at all. You must not have seen the treatment that members have given him and other JCMI folks. While I don't believe John would post "F-off" to us, he could just stop posting or even visiting altogether. Then when you feel that you haven't gotten anywhere with customer service, where would you turn?

All I'm saying is to show him some respect. You don't have to kiss his ass, and John can certainly handle himself here, but don't be condescending. Raise your issues respectfully and I'm sure he'll respond.

[Tekky]

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By the way how's the goaltending in Tampa?

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[LesPaulCustom]

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<font color="yellow">Devil's advocate here....and I'm by no means a collector of vintage Charvel's and I haven't played a new one yet (I will in a couple weeks though with CC Ltd #1 [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]).

I don't think John meant/said/implied "fuck off" to anybody in Jackson/Charvel land. Why would he bite the hand that collectively feeds J/C as a entity??

Look at it from their point of view....they make a product, and it has to pass their criteria of quality before it leaves the factory to the retailers for resale. There has to be a common ground of setup etc. and I'm sure they are all individually checked out and inspected prior to leaving, hence the hang-tag.

Once the guitar gets to Bubba's Charvel Shack, and Johnny 18 year old employee says "Boy, this here Charvel plays like "insert adjective here" and goes to work, not having a clue as to what he's doing and throws the guitar into a fit of unplayability and the truss rod adjusted to resemble a African Natives bow.

How is Charvel responsible for that??

I'm not saying that a guitar can't slip under the radar possibly, and nobody is perfect, from any guitar manufacturer. How many of us have heard horror stories of quality control and issues from Gibson, Fender etc. and they are comparitively priced or higher dollar guitars.

As for the Certificate, I don't have that answer and don't presume what is up with that.

This is just one scenario, so please put the burning stakes back in the closet and put the gasoline back. I'm just trying to inject a possible scenario as a alternate view. </font>

[Shawn]

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By the way how's the goaltending in Tampa?

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Damn, thats cold. Well, its better than the offense or coaching in Chicago, thats for sure. Nik is gonna feel like a clown in the dunk tank next year.

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Shawn

[Tekky]

Re: The new Charvels both rock AND suck

OK, you two are taking me too literally. That's not what I meant. Plain and simple, show him disrespect and he could just stop coming to the JCF. To me, that would be a big "f-off".

I have no problem saying that as an admin of the JCF I'd like to keep relations between JCMI and the JCF open. How can that be a bad thing for the board? While we're not going to kiss ass, we just want things respectful.

I've met John several times he's a good guy. Let's treat him right.

[Joe_Steeler]

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Shawn is frustrated that's all, can't totally blame him.
He might a have been a bit abrassive, in the Fender Forum he would have been castrated and banned, but he vented hte frustration of a few CUSTOMERS.

By the same token, do you feel better Tekky? stealing our goalie!?
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[Tekky]

Re: The new Charvels both rock AND suck

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By the way how's the goaltending in Tampa?

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Damn, thats cold. Well, its better than the offense or coaching in Chicago, thats for sure. Nik is gonna feel like a clown in the dunk tank next year.

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Shawn

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New coach this year. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

[JohnnyMac]

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Wasnt Chicago last place in the worst division? Lightning had 106 points as I remember and the blackhawks had 59 I think. Habi has well known back problems and sparing 27 million is probably a smart move... Just My "2 cents"

[Shawn]

Re: The new Charvels both rock AND suck

2004 comments....


"2003-04 Week 16 12-27-7-5 29 If we're Alexei Zhamnov we're counting the days until the trade deadline.
2003-04 Week 17 13-29-7-5 29 No All-Stars. No surprise. "
2003-04 Week 13 10-20-7-4 27 When the NHL submits dollar figures to the NHLPA, they should spare everyone the drama and just take the Hawks out of their equations.

The difference between the Hawks and the Caps is that at least one owner tried yet failed. What's Chicago's excuse?"

[Jack Napalm]

Re: The new Charvels both rock AND suck

Seems to me we hear more about quality issues coming from Guitar Center and the like. How many quality issues do we hear about with guitars that orginate through Matt's Music, VWall or any of the other more "small" dealers?

[RR05xx]

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