played a San Dimas yesterday

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<font color="red"> Overpriced IMO,along with most every other manufacturer too!!

Just an opinion,again,I would never pay $1.5k plus for a reissue when I can get an original for alot less $$!! </font>

[sully]

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heh. okay, i'll bite. what do you think a new us-made guitar should cost?

[hippietim]

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Well, even if they were only $1000.00, then the new ones aren't "overpriced". If anything they're less expensive today than they were 20 years ago.

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That is one way to look at it Matt. Another would be to say they were too expensive 20 years ago [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

New Charvels at Veneman's with basic solid finishes and hardware could be had for $650-700 or so if you haggled. That was a lot of money for what was essentially a kit guitar.

So adjusting for inflation, that would be between $1200 and $1300. Still a tad too high for a plain bolt-on guitar - that's about what USA Fender Artist models run and they always have some nice hardware and/or electronic "upgrades" or non-standard configurations/finishes/neck profiles/etc.

[sully]

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but 12-1300 is what a gmw replica costs, but that's priced okay? no one ever complains about those prices.

[hippietim]

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heh. okay, i'll bite. what do you think a new us-made guitar should cost?

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Plain US made guitars should hit the street at about $600-800 with a case or heavy duty gigbag (not a black rain coat). Gibson and Fender both do it with the Faded and Highway series. Certainly no more than $1000 because now the list of alternatives grows considerably. You can say those guitars aren't a Charvel and you'd be right but a Charvel isn't them either but it is still a reasonable comparison. Again, I'm not talking about made to order custom shop stuff here or limited runs - just a basic guitar with a solid finish.

[hippietim]

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but 12-1300 is what a gmw replica costs, but that's priced okay? no one ever complains about those prices.

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For 1200-1300 from GMW you could get a Green Meanie. Please get a quote from Charvel on that and let me know what the price is.

[RR05xx]

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but 12-1300 is what a gmw replica costs, but that's priced okay? no one ever complains about those prices.

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I have to ask this, have you played a GMW?

[~K~]

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heh. okay, i'll bite. what do you think a new us-made guitar should cost?

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Plain US made guitars should hit the street at about $600-800 with a case or heavy duty gigbag (not a black rain coat). Gibson and Fender both do it with the Faded and Highway series. Certainly no more than $1000 because now the list of alternatives grows considerably. You can say those guitars aren't a Charvel and you'd be right but a Charvel isn't them either but it is still a reasonable comparison. Again, I'm not talking about made to order custom shop stuff here or limited runs - just a basic guitar with a solid finish.

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So typical of someone who sits behind a desk to assume a craftsman shouldn't make a decent wage ... that is EXACTLY what is wrong with this country

[sully]

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but 12-1300 is what a gmw replica costs, but that's priced okay? no one ever complains about those prices.

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I have to ask this, have you played a GMW?

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sure! i've played many. why do you ask?

[hippietim]

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heh. okay, i'll bite. what do you think a new us-made guitar should cost?

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Plain US made guitars should hit the street at about $600-800 with a case or heavy duty gigbag (not a black rain coat). Gibson and Fender both do it with the Faded and Highway series. Certainly no more than $1000 because now the list of alternatives grows considerably. You can say those guitars aren't a Charvel and you'd be right but a Charvel isn't them either but it is still a reasonable comparison. Again, I'm not talking about made to order custom shop stuff here or limited runs - just a basic guitar with a solid finish.

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So typical of someone who sits behind a desk to assume a craftsman shouldn't make a decent wage ... that is EXACTLY what is wrong with this country

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So because I sit behind a desk I'm incapable of understanding what someone that doesn't has to do? [img]/images/graemlins/bs.gif[/img] I don't appreciate that anymore than you would if I were to say something in a similar vein. [img]/images/graemlins/nono.gif[/img] Clearly you underestimate me and what I'm capable of comprehending.

But since you mention it, please explain to me how a craftsman is not making money in that environment? Fender and Gibson are able to do this. Why can't Charvel?

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Those highway series guitars and the faded series are bottom of the barrel. I havent picked one up yet that did not have series quality issues. I would much rather pay for something that is of better quality and will last and has pride into it. Those guitars are built to be disposable. lol.

[sully]

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i'm guessing b/c they don't just offer a highway or faded series. correct me if i'm wrong, but those guitars have some serious cut corners when it comes to the finishing dept. i think that if charvel offered that, the charvel corksniffers (thanks pete!) would be quite angry at them for being so cheap. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

[Firebird V]

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lol. exactly!

[hippietim]

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Those highway series guitars and the faded series are bottom of the barrel. I havent picked one up yet that did not have series quality issues. I would much rather pay for something that is of better quality and will last and has pride into it. Those guitars are built to be disposable. lol.

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I disagree - I've played some fantastic "disposable" guitars. But if set aside that level of guitar, you can certainly get a nice Fender or Gibson for a grand with a basic solid color or burst finish on a plain top - no problem at all.

[RR05xx]

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but 12-1300 is what a gmw replica costs, but that's priced okay? no one ever complains about those prices.

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I have to ask this, have you played a GMW?

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sure! i've played many. why do you ask?

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I was curious about why you were questioning GMW pricing and I figured that it would be useful to know if you had any experirnce with then. Since you have, then I guess your original quesiton is retorical. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]