OK, my bad, my decal topic was moved, but to where??

[RR05xx]

Sorry if I posted in the worng place, but when I followed the link, I was tlod that I could not have access.

What gives.

[sully]

Re: OK, my bad, my decal topic was moved, but to where??

what gives is that we're not going to help members here or anywhere else put fake logos on guitars that shouldn't have them.

[shreddermon]

Re: OK, my bad, my decal topic was moved, but to where??

Sully, you're out of control, bud! Now you've even banned yourself? [img]graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

[LesPaulCustom]

Re: OK, my bad, my decal topic was moved, but to where??

Man...talk about an impartial admin lol....too funny..... [img]images/icons/shocked.gif[/img] [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

[StukaJU87]

Re: OK, my bad, my decal topic was moved, but to where??

That's too funny. For a hot second I thought, "Who the hell banned Sully?" [img]graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

[RR05xx]

Re: OK, my bad, my decal topic was moved, but to where??

Sooorrrryyyy. I did not releaze that customizing my GMW was such taboo. Well whatever. [img]images/icons/rolleyes.gif[/img]

[Tekky]

Re: OK, my bad, my decal topic was moved, but to where??

Customizing your GMW is no problem.

We say: Customize away.

The issue is that you have a GMW, not a Charvel. Unfortunately somewhere down the line in the history of this guitar there's potential of a misrepresentation. Not necessarily by you, but there are unscrupulous people out there who would do it. There's enough "fakes" out there without this board providing not only the knowledge to spot a "fake", but the materials to create a "fake". This is why we would really prefer that the sales of this type of logo not be done here.

[RR05xx]

Re: OK, my bad, my decal topic was moved, but to where??

Thats cool. I guess I was not really thinking about the all the @-holes out there who want to rip people off. To me its like, just because you put a Ferrari emblem on a corvette with a tricked out fiber body, it does not make it so (yes, I remember the 80s well).

Take care.

P.S. My GMW is more of a "Charvel" IMHO than anything that Fender may choose to put out under that name now that it has the ownership rights. [img]graemlins/headbang.gif[/img]

[JimmyApollo]

Re: OK, my bad, my decal topic was moved, but to where??

Fender is not "putting out" Charvels. The Jackson shop, which still has employees who made the original Chavels in San Dimas, is putting them out.

[Tekky]

Re: OK, my bad, my decal topic was moved, but to where??

I agree with you on the Ferarri analogy, unfortunately, there are people who will take advantage of those who don't know much about Charvels.

Jimmy hit the nail on the head man. But I'll add this to it though. With all I am seeing about the older Charvels is that there really wasn't much of a standard. They were basically all custom shop guitars. There's at least three different neck sizes that I've heard bantered about here. So I believe the new owners of Jackson/Charvel are going to do the best that they can to replicate the older Charvels, but they're going to try and standardize them so that the shop can be run not only more efficiently as far as construction, but also as far as $$.

[RR05xx]

Re: OK, my bad, my decal topic was moved, but to where??

And I guess that you just hit the nail on the head as well. The reason I choose to go the GMW route, which I understand has San Dimas era artisans in the shop (including one Dan Lawrence, to whom Jackson still farms large numbers of stuff out to this very day), is that it is a custom guitar that I pick evey detail of (including headstock).

"Charvel" may be (almost) doing that again, but Jackson really hasn't been the same since Groover bailed out in 1989 (and even then, I wonder where the JT-6 and the Jackson pickups of the late 80s were actually made, Japan?? I suspect) To me, Groover was (for a while anyway) kinda like an mini Bill Gates of the guitar world with what he did with Charvel and Jackson in the 80s.

And I think the "limited edition" crap that is being done now is so Fender its not even funny. They have been doing it for years. But the refusal to make custon S-Heads and the price tags on the "re-issues" is just rediculas. I plain refuse to give Fender my money at this point (A wise man once said never say never).

I do think that it is great that the S-Heads are back, but I guess I want to have my cake and eat it too.

Just my thoughts.

[~K~]

Re: OK, my bad, my decal topic was moved, but to where??

But the refusal to make custon S-Heads and the price tags on the "re-issues" is just rediculas

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">While I agree I would like to see stratheads opened up to custom ordering I have to disagree with you on the pricing of the "limited reissues". Yes the 25th was a bit steep at $4k list but the bullseye in my understanding comes no where close to that and in fact is comparable to some of the other Jackson stuff in price. Also to touch further the new charvel standard line is priced competitive vs their DK line ...

As far as the whole Fenderizing of charvel ..you really need to walk through the shop to understand it is still C/J building the guiars .. they just have more resource available to them now ..

[Newc]

Re: OK, my bad, my decal topic was moved, but to where??

But then again, under Fender's ownership, Jackson is restricted even more as far as what can and cannot "slip out the door unnoticed", such as the occasional Strathead and Gibson shapes. Thus, the "Charvel vibe" of the old days is lost due to Fender's influence. Production Stratheads have been outlawed for years, but now they've even been banned from the Custom Shop, which totally goes against the idea of a Custom Shop. Same with the Gibson shapes - how can you claim to be a Custom Shop when you can only build your own shapes?
Kevin Easton mentioned a loophole in Gibson's patent/trademarks that would allow Jackson to make an Explorer-shaped production model (as Hamer has done for decades), but since the Fender buyout, that's been completely dropped simply because it's a Gibson-style shape (again, even though Hamer is still doing quite well with it).

As far as "standardizing" Charvel necks - that again, IMO, would be totally against the old-school Charvels: yes, you had at least 3 different neck sizes, just like you had 3 different Fender necks - C, D, and V (not to mention U), because you had such a wide range of buyers wanting different necks. To have ONE neck profile available on all Charvel models is stupid, IMO, as it's not true to the Charvel history.

Newc

[Zerberus]

Re: OK, my bad, my decal topic was moved, but to where??

Originally posted by RR05xx:
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...(and even then, I wonder where the JT-6 and the Jackson pickups of the late 80s were actually made, Japan?? I suspect) ....

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Jt6 trems have "made in Taiwan" in HUGE letters on the Block, so my guess would be Taiwan [img]graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

Not too sure on the Pups, tho...

[Tekky]

Re: OK, my bad, my decal topic was moved, but to where??

Originally posted by RR05xx:
And I guess that you just hit the nail on the head as well. The reason I choose to go the GMW route, which I understand has San Dimas era artisans in the shop (including one Dan Lawrence, to whom Jackson still farms large numbers of stuff out to this very day), is that it is a custom guitar that I pick evey detail of (including headstock).

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Hey, nobody's faulting you for going to GMW to get exactly what you want, neck profile and all. More power to ya! Right on!! Keep on keepin' on! From what I understand GMW, at one point, did a huge amount of repair work for Jackson/Charvel. So who better to make a spot-on interpretation of a San Dimas Charvel then these guys??

Yes, Dan does still work quite a bit with the Jackson Custom shop.

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Originally posted by RR05xx:
"Charvel" may be (almost) doing that again, but Jackson really hasn't been the same since Groover bailed out in 1989 (and even then, I wonder where the JT-6 and the Jackson pickups of the late 80s were actually made, Japan?? I suspect) To me, Groover was (for a while anyway) kinda like an mini Bill Gates of the guitar world with what he did with Charvel and Jackson in the 80s.

And I think the "limited edition" crap that is being done now is so Fender its not even funny. They have been doing it for years. But the refusal to make custon S-Heads and the price tags on the "re-issues" is just rediculas. I plain refuse to give Fender my money at this point (A wise man once said never say never).

I do think that it is great that the S-Heads are back, but I guess I want to have my cake and eat it too.

Just my thoughts.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Agreed, but sadly he (Grover) sold the company to AKAI and they left J/C in a pretty bad state. What's to say that FMIC isn't planning to re-build the reputation of the Jackson and Charvel brand. To do this can't happen overnight. Heck, a couple of years ago if someone told us that a s-head Charvel would be rolling out of the production plant that wasn't an employee project we woulda laughed until milk came out of our noses, but alas... There's three seperate pieces on the market with s-heads. This is still pretty much a niche market and things are slowly, but surely swinging our way.

FMIC learned a hard lesson when they bought Guild. They completely re-vamped everything that the company was about. They moved production to an area that was miles away from the original shop. In they process they lost some loyal customers and some skilled craftsmen. It has taken them years to re-build the quality and reputation of Guild. They don't want the same thing to happen to Jackson/Charvel. They don't want to have to re-build the reputation from rock bottom. Who's to say that in the future, all Charvels won't be made with three different neck widths again?? Again, I point back to the s-heads...

I think the best thing we can do is have some faith and patience and eloquently express our opinions. Believe it or not, they're listening to what we have to say as a collective group. I think evidence in that is how we responded to the 25th anniversary Charvel, do you think they would have done two more models with a more realistic price if they weren't?