Charvel USA Production Model Series

[Trypp Powell]

You have a point. Given that the Suburban is a GM product, the poor alignment and shoddy tires should have been standard.

[nhspike]

[SEEGERMANY]

Even my beloved SL-1 that I have had for ages needed a level and dress completed when it was new.

Yea, minor stuff like poorly dressed frets doesn't bother me at all. Matter of fact, when I bought my new Suburban, I wouldn't take ownership of it until it was knocked out of alignment and fitted with re-treads.

[Trypp Powell]

If you look at the Fender Strats that would have been in most people's hands when Charvel started making guitars, these Charvels (like the originals) are radically different than those guitars.

The feel of the neck and fret size on current production American Standard Stratocasters are, to me, influenced by the "super strat" movement ushered in by Charvels. Saying these Charvels are "Fenderized" due to similarities to relatively current model American Strats just doesn't make sense to me.

With the exception of one PRS and a Carvin, every new guitar I have purchased needed some fretwork done on it. Even my beloved SL-1 that I have had for ages needed a level and dress completed when it was new.

[nhspike]

+10

[savage]

I love the new ones as much as the old but can understand if folks have a different opinion. In fact one of my all time favorite guitars is my reverse pointy Dweez (new era pointy) from the run ~K~ did...I still play that one a lot.

To be honest I am not sure what "all the new ones suck" screaming is about. I guess some folks either had bad luck or they like complaining.

I am VERY happy having both..new and old.

This opinion has mucho credibility
one look at his collection and
if tracy does not know charvel's then NO ONE does!

[gtrbuyer]

When you say biggest, are you referring to ego, size of errection, er, I mean collection, or the size of his house?

depends on you ask...some will say ego and give me crap but thats cool because I don't buy/play/collect to please anyone but myself.

I love the new ones as much as the old but can understand if folks have a different opinion. In fact one of my all time favorite guitars is my reverse pointy Dweez (new era pointy) from the run ~K~ did...I still play that one a lot.

To be honest I am not sure what "all the new ones suck" screaming is about. I guess some folks either had bad luck or they like complaining.

I am VERY happy having both..new and old.

[nhspike]

When you say biggest, are you referring to ego, size of errection, er, I mean collection, or the size of his house?

LOL

Totally kidding.

I'm actually going to visit sometime (soon?) and get to hang out with him/test drive his guitars... can't wait!!!

He prolly has the biggest of all things that are considered good when big.

I can dig it.

LOL

[~K~]

Statements like this are lost on me. I've played dozens of old Charvels and most of them have necks that feel very different from each other. The pointies were definitely more consistent, but they still had variation as well. Please tell me what makes a guitar feel like an "original San Dimas". The oil finish? It's certainly not the profile as there is no such thing as a "San Dimas profile".

And I'd like to add myself to the list of those calling out the detractors who are claiming these to be "Fender". By failing to support your assertions, you simply come off looking like a tool. Establish some credibility because at this point your opinion is worthless.

Bingo!! We have a winner. Therer were all different necks back then but everytime a new charvel is released it never feels like a san dimas!

I love my 25th and as I've stated before the specs are almost dead on to my 86, yet I was told I didn't know what I was talking about.

Funny enough one of the biggest collectors "Tracy" gives equal time to old and new, he loves both

[savage]

I was also referring to the fact that there were many different feeling necks on the originals. Anyone ever compare a Holdsworth strathead neck to a 21 fret strathead for example? World's different. And the pointy's were different too, although much more consistant.

It's so funny when guys say "original San Dimas"... what qualifies one "original Charvel neck" over the other "original Charvel neck" to be "the one" that all others are judged by?

man did i learn this the hard way!
I guess you can always learn something new
i was under the impression that all charvel pre 82 necks were super slim
but then again i only played two prepro's and these are mirror's of each other
talk about a freak!
one is my strat and the other is on a lightning bolt star both are early 81's though?
but i see that this does not matter according to the experts here and over at tracy's site

[Ralph E.]

I was also referring to the fact that there were many different feeling necks on the originals. Anyone ever compare a Holdsworth strathead neck to a 21 fret strathead for example? World's different. And the pointy's were different too, although much more consistant.

It's so funny when guys say "original San Dimas"... what qualifies one "original Charvel neck" over the other "original Charvel neck" to be "the one" that all others are judged by?

Jeez, if you've got some old ones, or some new ones, or some of both just shut the fuck up and play'em and enjoy'em.

Enuff already.

[quiksilver]

+1

What a great post.

+2. Couldn't have said it better myself. The guy from FMIC presented objective facts showing the dissimilarity between new Charvels and new Fenders. If there are objective facts to support the claims of similarity, I haven't seen them presented here.

[wibble]

Maybe for the sake of argument, it`d be worth everyone with an `original` Charvel getting some measurements and then comparing the average to these new Charvels, see just what and where the differences are and how minimal they are. May stop the bickering once and for all.

Personally i don`t give a shit where the differences are, these look and sound sexeh as hell and won`t change my opinion on having at least 2 no matter how `original` they are.

[Ralph E.]

Statements like this are lost on me. I've played dozens of old Charvels and most of them have necks that feel very different from each other. The pointies were definitely more consistent, but they still had variation as well. Please tell me what makes a guitar feel like an "original San Dimas". The oil finish? It's certainly not the profile as there is no such thing as a "San Dimas profile".

And I'd like to add myself to the list of those calling out the detractors who are claiming these to be "Fender". By failing to support your assertions, you simply come off looking like a tool. Establish some credibility because at this point your opinion is worthless.

+1

What a great post.

[savage]

Statements like this are lost on me. I've played dozens of old Charvels and most of them have necks that feel very different from each other. The pointies were definitely more consistent, but they still had variation as well. Please tell me what makes a guitar feel like an "original San Dimas". The oil finish? It's certainly not the profile as there is no such thing as a "San Dimas profile".

after hearing from others like yourself about this issue i must agree
for instance my 81 neck is .725" at the 3rd fret and .805 at the 12th
i am finding out this is considered "freakishly thin" by owners that have several charvel originals and my neck is heavily lacquered as well!