Charvel USA Production Model Series

[savage]

I thought these newer charvels were being made at the charvel shop?
Hellraiser is claiming these are made by fender on their line?
I thought the ONLY thing fender about these was the ownership(FMIC)
like the new EVH stuff?
I will say this IF these are "fenders" then they are the best fenders ever!
what a georgous "FENDER"!:ROTF:

[~K~]

hese are not Charvels these are Fenders.

Instead of claiming they're fenders based simply on where there are built maybe you need to spell out specifics.

Back in 86 Charvel was licensed to the Japanese market and while they were dimensionally the same guitars, they were still charvel. The only people back then that didn't condifer them charvel were people like you and I who were already buying the USA models.

Dimensionally the guitars are the same guitars and the fact is that people consider them no less charvel now.

So how does the particular product line impact what a guitar becomes by brand?

Would a guitar built to all fender specs on the FMIC side be a charvel or a fender?

[Soap]

Heres what I think...............who cares..........I know I don't.

[waylay00]

For a guitar of this quality at $999, I don't think anybody could complain over them not being exactly like the originals...

[Hellraiser6502]

Ha

Since when does something have to be made the same way by the same people with the same materials for it to have the same brand name on it?

Do you think that the Mustang is not a REAL Ford because it's not a Model A?

By your logic, even Fenders are not Fenders anymore.

Since when?

Since it's NOT the same product...it's only pretending to be.

Food for thought:
The $999.00 price is the DEALERS SELLING PRICE....that means they have maybe $550.00 into them. Do the math.

It aint rocket science to figure out they are running these on Fender's production lines. They are Fenvels and should be logo'd as such.

They aren't bad guitars but they are not real Charvels either....but that is what they are being sold as.

Since their blatant cash grab with their overpriced, inflated Charvel 'Custom Shop' strathead re-introduction didn't work....They HAD to figure a way to get the Charvel crowd's money.

This is their solution.

[fullmetalguitar]

YEAH, the FACTS according to Fender. That is just laughable and actually pretty patronizing!

Since when is a huge company like Fender...ESPECIALLY Fender ...concerned with 'doing what is right' for the 'fans'??



Don't listen to me...just be objective.

Ask yourself HOW they can offer such a guitar at this price point?

Remember this is the same company who has tried to rape the 'fans' for 3+ years on virtually the same spec guitar...and all of the sudden it's 1/2 price?

A better question would be:

What corners did they cut??

These are not Charvels these are Fenders.

Dude, seriously, quit trying to rain on everyone's parade here.
Yeah, we get it, you're not happy with the new Charvels,
blah blah blah. No one seems to agree with you.

[thetroy]

Since when does something have to be made the same way by the same people with the same materials for it to have the same brand name on it?

Do you think that the Mustang is not a REAL Ford because it's not a Model A?

By your logic, even Fenders are not Fenders anymore.

[Hellraiser6502]

Mike,

Thanks for presenting the FACTS for us.

I have owned a large number of original Charvels and San Dimas Jacksons thru the years (including the George Lynch Booger, Chris Holmes Harley Star, 2 Jake E. Lee Ontario era Jacksons etc.). I have always said, and continue to say, that there are good and bad examples of both, period.

Anyone who says otherwise is only trying to protect the value of their "collection of oldies" imo. You will never convince them otherwise. Just realize that the majority of us appreciate what you guys are doing with this series. I look forward to some additions like a tele headstock on the tele, and some maybe a hardtail along the way!

p.s. I just sold a "new" Charvel relic that had a neck that was as good as ANY old Charvel I ever owned. So I certainly don't agree with the "feel" argument at all.

YEAH, the FACTS according to Fender. That is just laughable and actually pretty patronizing!

Since when is a huge company like Fender...ESPECIALLY Fender ...concerned with 'doing what is right' for the 'fans'??



Don't listen to me...just be objective.

Ask yourself HOW they can offer such a guitar at this price point?

Remember this is the same company who has tried to rape the 'fans' for 3+ years on virtually the same spec guitar...and all of the sudden it's 1/2 price?

A better question would be:

What corners did they cut??

These are not Charvels these are Fenders.

[fullmetalguitar]

+1 to what Robert said.

[Robert Hendrix]

I've been buying, selling, collecting Charvel/Jackson since 1984.

To answer your question.

Currently I own 6....but I've owned 50 or more over the last 24 years...in addition, my current collection of Jacksons includes at least 50 San Dimas made guitars.

Well... Touch you....

The difference between the current guitars and the San Dimas originals is night and day in feel, appearance, fit & finish. If you had one of each side by side for one hour, the differences would be obvious.

Really? It would take that long to tell the difference? The way you were spouting off I would think it would be immediatly obvious. I guess they aren't that bad after all.

Again, not saying the current Charvels (including Custom Shop models) are bad guitars...they're just different.

Any longtime Charvel collector/player will agree...I'm sure.

Bottom line.... They just don't make em like they use to. Who does? Dude, Chill out! It's already been made pretty clear that these guitars arent for the Purists. If you don't like them, then the only suggestion I can give you is to grab yourself a cookie and go drool over your 50 or so San Dimuses and leave the more affordable alternative to those who actually appreciate the fact that Charvel is actually taking a marketing step forward instead of decaying into oblivion.

[toejam]

ONE MORE THING... LEAVE MY KNOBS ALONE!!!!

FWIW, the knob is a bit rough but not a deal breaker. I kinda dig the easy grasp.

Keep it up!

Knobs, rough, easy grasp, keep it up?!? :ROTF:

[Ralph E.]

Hi all, Thanks for all the interest in the new Charvel's. I have been popping in and out of the forums looking at the feedback and I have tried to correct any misconceptions as they occur. This is killer week.

The last few posts seem to revolve around a couple of things.... Is this just a Fender with a different Headstock Decal? ... and body construction vs. old Charvel Body construction... here is some info...

1. This is simply not a Fender with a Charvel Decal slapped on the headstock.. here are just a few differences, 1 pc, Quartersawn Neck with Compound Radius and rolled edges... the Charvel Neck Shape/Profile, DiMarzio's and Duncans, CTS Pots..., Grover Tuners, Jumbo Frets, Floyd Rose Bridge... get the picture? …anyone want to jump in? There are a host of differences…

2. Yes, these guitars are spec'd out with a three piece body. Charvel Custom shop guitars have used 1,2 and 3 pc body's from the beginning. There were many instances where CUSTOM shop guitars were built using 3 pc bodies. … I only point this out because the fact that we are using 3 pc bodies on this model should not preclude it from being a “real Charvel” in anyone’s eye.

These guitars sound and play killer… IMHO

Due in part to feedback from the JCF forums & because we feel it's the right thing to do, we have made available a pretty affordable Charvel made from the right recipe. We labored over every detail, believe me, in order to bring you this mix of model's.

There are some extremely knowledgeable Jackson/Charvel members in the forums. We appreciate the positive & negative feedback... we really do. There is a tremendous amount of value in listening to the hard core devotees when the criticism is valid or constructive.

While we are on this, I thank you for the feedback on the setup’s…

I hope this helps.

-Mike

ONE MORE THING... LEAVE MY KNOBS ALONE!!!!

Mike,

Thanks for presenting the FACTS for us.

I have owned a large number of original Charvels and San Dimas Jacksons thru the years (including the George Lynch Booger, Chris Holmes Harley Star, 2 Jake E. Lee Ontario era Jacksons etc.). I have always said, and continue to say, that there are good and bad examples of both, period.

Anyone who says otherwise is only trying to protect the value of their "collection of oldies" imo. You will never convince them otherwise. Just realize that the majority of us appreciate what you guys are doing with this series. I look forward to some additions like a tele headstock on the tele, and some maybe a hardtail along the way!

p.s. I just sold a "new" Charvel relic that had a neck that was as good as ANY old Charvel I ever owned. So I certainly don't agree with the "feel" argument at all.

[hippietim]

I've been buying, selling, collecting Charvel/Jackson since 1984.

Me too. I've probably not owned quite as many as you but I've owned a lot of them.

The difference between the current guitars and the San Dimas originals is night and day in feel, appearance, fit & finish. If you had one of each side by side for one hour, the differences would be obvious.

Appearance? Really? What looks so different about a 2-hum Strat compared to an old one?

Feel - that's pretty tough to say isn't it? It's not like the old Charvels all felt the same. Plus when was the last time you played a brand new original Charvel? I've spoken with a few folks that I personally know that have been doing this as long as we have and they have each said the necks have that old school Charvel feel.

I would like to hear more details from you on the feel - the feel was always the thing that separated Charvels from the rest IMO.

Fit & Finish - what are some examples where the new ones differ? I've only seen pics on the web so it's really hard to tell.

Any longtime Charvel collector/player will agree...I'm sure.

Perhaps you are right - I'd really like to find out for myself. Unfortunately I don't have a store nearby that carries Charvels.

[quiksilver]

I am really stoked about these new Charvels. They are just about perfect, as far as I can see. I have one of the Music Zoo "Naturals," and the neck on that is probably the finest neck I have ever felt. If these new Charvels have the same profile and rolled edges (as I suspect), they are going to be unstoppable.

[Hellraiser6502]

no saracasm intended but do you own any old originals?

I've been buying, selling, collecting Charvel/Jackson since 1984.

To answer your question.

Currently I own 6....but I've owned 50 or more over the last 24 years...in addition, my current collection of Jacksons includes at least 50 San Dimas made guitars.

The difference between the current guitars and the San Dimas originals is night and day in feel, appearance, fit & finish. If you had one of each side by side for one hour, the differences would be obvious.

Again, not saying the current Charvels (including Custom Shop models) are bad guitars...they're just different.

Any longtime Charvel collector/player will agree...I'm sure.