Charvel USA Production Model Series

[fullmetalguitar]

+1 to what Robert said.

[Hellraiser6502]

Mike,

Thanks for presenting the FACTS for us.

I have owned a large number of original Charvels and San Dimas Jacksons thru the years (including the George Lynch Booger, Chris Holmes Harley Star, 2 Jake E. Lee Ontario era Jacksons etc.). I have always said, and continue to say, that there are good and bad examples of both, period.

Anyone who says otherwise is only trying to protect the value of their "collection of oldies" imo. You will never convince them otherwise. Just realize that the majority of us appreciate what you guys are doing with this series. I look forward to some additions like a tele headstock on the tele, and some maybe a hardtail along the way!

p.s. I just sold a "new" Charvel relic that had a neck that was as good as ANY old Charvel I ever owned. So I certainly don't agree with the "feel" argument at all.

YEAH, the FACTS according to Fender. That is just laughable and actually pretty patronizing!

Since when is a huge company like Fender...ESPECIALLY Fender ...concerned with 'doing what is right' for the 'fans'??



Don't listen to me...just be objective.

Ask yourself HOW they can offer such a guitar at this price point?

Remember this is the same company who has tried to rape the 'fans' for 3+ years on virtually the same spec guitar...and all of the sudden it's 1/2 price?

A better question would be:

What corners did they cut??

These are not Charvels these are Fenders.

[thetroy]

Since when does something have to be made the same way by the same people with the same materials for it to have the same brand name on it?

Do you think that the Mustang is not a REAL Ford because it's not a Model A?

By your logic, even Fenders are not Fenders anymore.

[fullmetalguitar]

YEAH, the FACTS according to Fender. That is just laughable and actually pretty patronizing!

Since when is a huge company like Fender...ESPECIALLY Fender ...concerned with 'doing what is right' for the 'fans'??



Don't listen to me...just be objective.

Ask yourself HOW they can offer such a guitar at this price point?

Remember this is the same company who has tried to rape the 'fans' for 3+ years on virtually the same spec guitar...and all of the sudden it's 1/2 price?

A better question would be:

What corners did they cut??

These are not Charvels these are Fenders.

Dude, seriously, quit trying to rain on everyone's parade here.
Yeah, we get it, you're not happy with the new Charvels,
blah blah blah. No one seems to agree with you.

[Hellraiser6502]

Ha

Since when does something have to be made the same way by the same people with the same materials for it to have the same brand name on it?

Do you think that the Mustang is not a REAL Ford because it's not a Model A?

By your logic, even Fenders are not Fenders anymore.

Since when?

Since it's NOT the same product...it's only pretending to be.

Food for thought:
The $999.00 price is the DEALERS SELLING PRICE....that means they have maybe $550.00 into them. Do the math.

It aint rocket science to figure out they are running these on Fender's production lines. They are Fenvels and should be logo'd as such.

They aren't bad guitars but they are not real Charvels either....but that is what they are being sold as.

Since their blatant cash grab with their overpriced, inflated Charvel 'Custom Shop' strathead re-introduction didn't work....They HAD to figure a way to get the Charvel crowd's money.

This is their solution.

[waylay00]

For a guitar of this quality at $999, I don't think anybody could complain over them not being exactly like the originals...

[Soap]

Heres what I think...............who cares..........I know I don't.

[~K~]

hese are not Charvels these are Fenders.

Instead of claiming they're fenders based simply on where there are built maybe you need to spell out specifics.

Back in 86 Charvel was licensed to the Japanese market and while they were dimensionally the same guitars, they were still charvel. The only people back then that didn't condifer them charvel were people like you and I who were already buying the USA models.

Dimensionally the guitars are the same guitars and the fact is that people consider them no less charvel now.

So how does the particular product line impact what a guitar becomes by brand?

Would a guitar built to all fender specs on the FMIC side be a charvel or a fender?

[savage]

I thought these newer charvels were being made at the charvel shop?
Hellraiser is claiming these are made by fender on their line?
I thought the ONLY thing fender about these was the ownership(FMIC)
like the new EVH stuff?
I will say this IF these are "fenders" then they are the best fenders ever!
what a georgous "FENDER"!:ROTF:

[Rich#6]

How can they sell these cheaper?
Here is possibilities:
1. They were making huge profits off the CSs.
2. quantity - take less profit on each and sell more to make up the diffence. Jackson has select series that used to a lot cheaper a few years ago. If these sell well long before the price goes up.
3. Don't have the master builders work on them. How much do they have to pay guys like shannon to stay at J/C instead of opening his own shop?
If Carvin can do it why can't Charvel.
Most of the work has been done on CNC machines for years. Does it matter who is behind the machine to press go as long as the wood is centered properly?
I am looking forward to getting one. I have never played an original so I will only be going off of the one I get on its own craftmanship.

[nhspike]

Meh
There's an ESP fan in every thread around here lately.
LOL

[savage]

Meh
There's an ESP fan in every thread around here lately.
LOL

yeah dont that stand for "Extremely Small Penis"

[Robert Hendrix]

It wouldn't be so bad is he could actually list his complaints about the guitar. He's been asked several times to elaborate and all he does is say the same thing.

Basically, since it's not old and it's not original, it's not Charvel. But he can't tell you why. He's like one of those old codgers you talk to when you were a kid.. "Why, back in my day they made real guitars." "Not these crazy looking things with strings on them." "You didn't have to plug ours in to make them work."

[hippietim]

They aren't bad guitars but they are not real Charvels either....but that is what they are being sold as.

And still you have yet to spell out a single tangible reason why these are not Charvels. Let's have real specifics. Otherwise what you are doing just ends up being ranting.

[ejpii]

my current collection of Jacksons includes at least 50 San Dimas made guitars.

Maybe you can sell off some of the 50 to the rest of us.




EJ