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  • Played a SoCal last night. First impressions...

    A local dealer happened to pick up the new Charvel production line, so I ran up after work to try one out. They only had 4 hanging out at the time - one of each model in black and a Pagan Gold Tele, too.

    There was a lot of buzz in this small local shop for the Charvels. There were several other guys there at the same time, all looking to try them out and already knowing the skinny about the rotating colors, etc. The salesdude told me they've already pre-sold several, and even have people driving down from Vermont (an hour or two away) to give them a test run. The Tele on display was already sold, too. Quite frankly, I was shocked. I haven't seen this much buzz locally about Charvel or Jackson since the 1980s. Seriously.

    I grabbed a black SoCal and tried her out for about 15 minutes, maybe more. So consider anything I say here just as "first impressions" from a brief experience.

    Let me just start by saying that - going into this - I was kind of skeptical. I was really expecting to be somewhat underwhelmed. I thought they'd probably be "decent" guitars, but would walk away thinking "meh, so-so". After playing it? ...Not so. I was pretty impressed.

    - The neck was killer. It felt and played nearly as good as my custom shops. The profile is damn close to my CS stratheads, if not spot on. The fretwork on the one I played was very good - no sharp fret ends, nice rounded tops and sides. The frets did need to be polished some, but it wasn't a huge deal. Maybe just felt a little drag when bending notes.

    - The pickups are great. I don't have a lot of expereince with the Tone Zone, and really liked it. Sounded kind of like an Evo to me, but with more bottom end and less harmonics. I was expecting the Evolution neck to be overpowering (I prefer smooth cleans for my neck PUs), but it wasn't like that at all. Nice and clean, medium power, reasonably dynamic. Very good call by J/C on the Dimarzios. Unfortunately, I was playing through a crappy SS Marshall combo, though, so my tone experience was limited by the cruddy amp.

    - The body looked very good. It seemed to have reasonably good tone. Paint was clean and glossy. No paint runs or anything like that. The finish did seem to be thinner than my customs. Like it didn't have as many layers of clear or something. Some people will view that as a plus (more toneful resonance from the body), others a possible negative (maybe easier to ding the paint).

    - The hardware was very good, too. Mostly. The Floyd seemed great. Honestly, if I didn't already know, I would've assumed it's a standard Schaller-made OFR. We'll only know the true quality after they get played over a couple of years. But, based on initial impressions, I have no concerns whatsoever. The volume knob, however, just blows. It reeks cheapness, and even feels cruddy to the touch. And the pickguard seemed marginally low-rent, too. But, hey, those things are only $50-ish to replace. So consider that small criticism, at best.

    Bottom line: if the one I played was a representative sample, these guitars are a HUGE bang for your buck. Is it just as good as a custom shop Charvel? Sorry, no. But, to me, it felt like you're getting say about 80% of a custom shop Charvel for less than 50% of the price. That's very very good quality, and a GREAT value. And these guitars are certainly meeting or exceeding their competitive peers (ESP, Ibanez, etc) in this same price range.

    I'm waiting for the next round of colors, but I can definitely see myself buying one of these guitars. The Pagan Gold on the Tele was just a killer finish. I really hope they do the SoCal model in that color with the next rotation - I'd buy one in a heatbeat.

  • #2
    Originally posted by shreddermon View Post
    The frets did need to be polished some, but it wasn't a huge deal. Maybe just felt a little drag when bending notes.

    - The volume knob, however, just blows. It reeks cheapness, and even feels cruddy to the touch. And the pickguard seemed marginally low-rent, too.



    dont let NEWC read this!:ROTF::ROTF:
    just ask RobRR!
    Last edited by savage; 07-16-2008, 10:14 AM.
    If it's not a CHARVEL then i dont want to play it,look at it or even fuckin THINK about it!

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    • #3
      Originally posted by savage View Post
      dont let NEWC read this!:ROTF::ROTF:
      just ask RobRR!
      Yea, don't need NEWC getting "knobbed" off!
      "POOP"

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      • #4
        Originally posted by SEEGERMANY View Post
        Yea, don't need NEWC getting "knobbed" off!
        :ROTF:
        I LOVE THIS PLACE!
        If it's not a CHARVEL then i dont want to play it,look at it or even fuckin THINK about it!

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        • #5
          What's with the floyd? Is it the same "OFR" as they put on Jackson RR24, SL3, etc? Look to be OFR, but without made in Germany stamp on the bottom?

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Nazgul View Post
            What's with the floyd? Is it the same "OFR" as they put on Jackson RR24, SL3, etc? Look to be OFR, but without made in Germany stamp on the bottom?
            tis a PING floydie

            If it's not a CHARVEL then i dont want to play it,look at it or even fuckin THINK about it!

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            • #7
              Originally posted by savage View Post
              tis a PING floydie
              Are you sure? Those Ping Floyds have this little Ping logo, the "Floyd Rose" writing is outlined and they have a brass block. What I see here is no Ping logo, the usual "Floyd Rose" writing and a steel block. And Bionic said that the Floyd is made in Korea, but Ping manufactures in Taiwan, as far as I know.
              Last edited by busdriver; 07-16-2008, 10:53 AM.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by busdriver View Post
                Are you sure? Those Ping Floyds have this little Ping logo, the "Floyd Rose" writing is outlined and they have a brass block. What I see here is no Ping logo, the usual "Floyd Rose" writing and a steel block.

                Originally posted by dg View Post
                I normally don't post stuff here from other boards, but someone has one (candy red) and posted a quick review. To try to settle this: yes, these have the cheaper korean floyd. He said the trem isn't bad, and overall he says the guitar is excellent and he plans on getting more. .
                Originally posted by Bionic View Post
                another point to clear up... the bridge is Korean. It's the same as the RR24 and the Techs at the factory absolutley love them. The guitars come set up with the proper neck angle for a top mount floyd and they have plenty of Pull Back range. The So-Cal has slightly less than the San Dimas due to the nature of the specs.

                Everyone enjoy and WE can't wait till you can play these guitars.

                - MIke.
                I think so
                these PING's are OEM and made for charvel/jackson so that is why you see a difference
                If it's not a CHARVEL then i dont want to play it,look at it or even fuckin THINK about it!

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                • #9
                  It is NOT a PING Floyd. PINGs are a "licensed by" Floyd variation, and say so near the fine tuners.

                  The Charvels have an Original Floyd Rose that is made in Korea.

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                  • #10
                    I have no idea who makes them, but busdriver's right that Pings are made in Taiwan. It's possible that Floyd Rose has contracted with some other company based in Korea.

                    -edit- What Pat said.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by shreddermon View Post
                      It is NOT a PING Floyd. PINGs are a "licensed by" Floyd variation, and say so near the fine tuners.

                      The Charvels have an Original Floyd Rose that is made in Korea.
                      Originally posted by dg View Post
                      I have no idea who makes them, but busdriver's right that Pings are made in Taiwan. It's possible that Floyd Rose has contracted with some other company based in Korea.

                      -edit- What Pat said.




                      this is all fine by me
                      wasn't too crazy about a MIT floyd anyways
                      If it's not a CHARVEL then i dont want to play it,look at it or even fuckin THINK about it!

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by shreddermon View Post
                        It is NOT a PING Floyd. PINGs are a "licensed by" Floyd variation, and say so near the fine tuners.

                        The Charvels have an Original Floyd Rose that is made in Korea.

                        Correct... not PING... it's Korean. Actually a killer bridge as you will all find out as you play these things! Oh, and... I see that some of you don't like the knobs we chose. I am very suprised as I personally prefer this knob!

                        Thanks...Mike

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Bionic View Post
                          Oh, and... I see that some of you don't like the knobs we chose. I am very suprised as I personally prefer this knob!

                          Thanks...Mike
                          Mike,
                          I predict this current knob will in the future be referred to as the "first batch knob fiasco". They will be discontinued and replaced with a standard metal type knob, kind of like what Charvel has been using for 25+ years on every other guitar they have built.

                          However the plus side is that 20 years from now, the first batch guitars with the chalkboard texture, "meat tenderizer" knobs will be worth way more and none of us will remember where we threw these knobs the day after we bought our guitars. Rampant speculation will shadow every ebay auction as to whether it is a real first batcher or not and one of us will make a fortune reproducing exact replicas of these knobs! :ROTF:

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                          • #14
                            I'm obviously in the minority, but I really like the knob. Sure it is a little scratchy but it works well, especially when your hands are sweaty.

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                            • #15
                              "Meat tenderizer". Great description.

                              I've got to add this. When you order a custom shop guitar, the sky is the limit. And the prices reflect that. It should be pretty easy to build a killer guitar at custom shop prices.

                              But to build a "production" guitar with this high quality and in this low of a price range? That must be exponentially more difficult. In that respect, these Charvels are even more impressive than custom shop guitars. That's pretty amazing, and the guys at J/C should feel proud about that.

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