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[Grandturk]

First you have to buy a case. $120
Second and OFR $180 Yes they sound very different
Third a quality setup by a good luthier not the local guitar store knucklehead $180-200

Fourth the ProMOd uses a 3 piece body the customs use 1 or 2 piece and a higher grade.
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All negligible -
1 - Gig bag is better for me
2 - not in my experience, and I just did exactly the swap described - for appearance sake only (chrome vs. black)
3 - My ProMod "needed" only a quick polish, accomplished with one of those Dunlop polishing cloth things you get in the guitar polish sets
4 - More expensive, sure. "Higher grade?" Arguable.

Skip the PRO MOD and buy Quality Musikraft lumber and build your own.

Christ, if you couldn't do the setup yourself, you're going to be able to build the whole thing yourself out of raw parts?

[AndyK]

As for the Korean Floyd looking thicker vs. the German Floyd - I held both of them side by side, and the German Floyd is heavier, even though it has a thinner plate. Tells me the German steel is better quality.

[voodoosound]

All negligible -
1 - Gig bag is better for me
2 - not in my experience, and I just did exactly the swap described - for appearance sake only (chrome vs. black)
3 - My ProMod "needed" only a quick polish, accomplished with one of those Dunlop polishing cloth things you get in the guitar polish sets
4 - More expensive, sure. "Higher grade?" Arguable.



Christ, if you couldn't do the setup yourself, you're going to be able to build the whole thing yourself out of raw parts?

If you choose to be dillusional about the PRO MOD series thats entirely up to you after all it's your money to throw away as you please.

Common sense is not so common in these parts is it. I am curious what some of you folks are playing on your guitars that you think playability and tone are so similar between te CS and PRO MODs.

THe fact that YOU hear no difference between hardend steel vs m11 grade steel with a Brass block tells me that you most likely couldn't tell the difference between any bridge. THe difference in tonality between those 2 bridges is night and day.

[Rich#6]

guys go read this thread if you haven't already and save us the purist tude. It's a dead horse beaten to death.

http://www.jcfonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=90264

[chmizell]

Well Voodoo guy you can certainly educate me in a less condescending way!! Got your point on the woods, although I doubt seriously the CS is using a one piece body as that is a major waste. If you order it that way is one thing...but I bet that it would cost ya, even if they agreed to it. Maybe a 2 piece sounds better than a 3 piece, but I doubt that is significant. I want to know if there is a way they judge tone wood, that has always interested me. Got your points on the frets too. Anyone to opine on that? My skeptic nature says that the CS uses the same wire the whole shop uses. I have production model Floyd and Charvel with Original Floyd...not hearing difference in sustain...sounds about as bright as my Original Floyd. Nothing glaring here....but having said that, I agree, I would still rather have the Original, call me mental. I will agree with you all the way that a CS guitar out of the box will out play, and have better fit and finish all those things you are saying. But is it enough of a difference to warrant the price tag. Thats where I am on the fence. I guess in my opinion is I figure the raw materials are all the same, everyone is pulling from the same pile, just the CS guys are awesome and spend a whole lot more time on the guitar. All things that could be done on a production model guitar, post-purchase. And I am not talking about a GC dude..as you seem to think I am 17 yr old.....been playing for 25 yrs, music gives me 50% of my income, and has helped me survive this recession. $180-200 is for a re-fret not a fret job. I can nab a case for $75. I can tweak that production model and still be under the used CS. I always try to think....can I improve my playing or my ears, rather than laying $2000 for a piece of equipment? But I will give you your dues....if the woods selected for the CS guitars are that much better, as anything else on the guitar that inherently cant be changed...I'll go with you and search for the used Custom Shop! You have me with the used CS...that is if I can find one....and also if I find one that I can play first!

[Rich#6]

Whether you use 1 or 3 pieces after some nice thick paint, I doubt there's that much difference in tone.

[chmizell]

Sorry Rich!!! Its just that I dont have oodles of $$ to throw around....and I am really trying to justify the extra dollars to put into a guitar. As well as to not get caught up in the "hype" of the new Charvels....or the "hype" for the CS guitars. When you can spend less money its easy to justify getting the cheaper guitar. I have also bought a $1600 guitar and felt the I didnt get $1600 worth a guitar (ESP)

[voodoosound]

Sorry Rich!!! Its just that I dont have oodles of $$ to throw around....and I am really trying to justify the extra dollars to put into a guitar. As well as to not get caught up in the "hype" of the new Charvels....or the "hype" for the CS guitars. When you can spend less money its easy to justify getting the cheaper guitar. I have also bought a $1600 guitar and felt the I didnt get $1600 worth a guitar (ESP)

I played my share of crappy guitars growing up in the 70s and 80s. One thing I learned life is to short to waste your time with mediocrity. It applies to all things. I also can't tell you how many guitars I bought in my youth and said this is "almost" what I want. only to sell it and take a big loss and end up buying what I really wanted down the road.

Moral to the story is buy the best from the get go. If you don't want the best and your OK with playing a mediocre guitar then no need to seek any further the PRO MOD is what your after.

By the way not try to talk down to anyone I just have a very matter of fact type personality no offense meant to anyone.

[voodoosound]

Whether you use 1 or 3 pieces after some nice thick paint, I doubt there's that much difference in tone.

Depends on the wood. It also assumes you are even painting it.

[Rich#6]

Depends on the wood. It also assumes you are even painting it.

we are not talking in general we are talking usa charvels here. the prod series might be 3 pieces but they are not made with cheap wood(seen one that has been stripped). Oh yeah, I forgot about the really really high number of oiled bodies that charvel puts out.

[Grandturk]

The Korean floyd is actually heavier than the german floyd. See my thread where I compare the two - lots of pictures.

[voodoosound]

we are not talking in general we are talking usa charvels here. the prod series might be 3 pieces but they are not made with cheap wood(seen one that has been stripped). Oh yeah, I forgot about the really really high number of oiled bodies that charvel puts out.

Thats all I own is raw wood charvels. Huge tonal differences between raw wood and painted guitars. But thats common knowledge. My customs even my zoos are customs so in fairness my guitars compared to the ProMODs is not even fair. I played about 8 of the Pro MODs and really wanted to like them but they just didn't feel right and I couldn't bond with how they sounded. ANd I never said the PRO MOd used cheap wood. I said the CS wood is a higher grade and quality.

Oh well there are guitars for everyone. Enjoy!!

[voodoosound]

The Korean floyd is actually heavier than the german floyd. See my thread where I compare the two - lots of pictures.

If you take off the blocks the german floyd is much heavier. What makes the Korean floyd heavy is the brass block.

[Rich#6]

Thats all I own is raw wood charvels. Huge tonal differences between raw wood and painted guitars. But thats common knowledge. My customs even my zoos are customs so in fairness my guitars compared to the ProMODs is not even fair. I played about 8 of the Pro MODs and really wanted to like them but they just didn't feel right and I couldn't bond with how they sounded. ANd I never said the PRO MOd used cheap wood. I said the CS wood is a higher grade and quality.

Oh well there are guitars for everyone. Enjoy!!

If you don't like painted guitars why do you even try one. Just to trash them? Sound like you wouldn't like a painted custom shop charvel either. You condesending arrogant tude is really annoying. Have a nice day!

[voodoosound]

If you don't like painted guitars why do you even try one. Just to trash them? Sound like you wouldn't like a painted custom shop charvel either. You condesending arrogant tude is really annoying. Have a nice day!

I played a couple customs that were painted that I almost bought. I am not biased against painted guitars just guitars in general that don't sound or feel right. Wow you guys get your feather ruffled around here easily. Like I said if your happy with your mediocre PRO MODS more power to you. But to say they are even close to a CS version is just wrong and equally annoying.