Hey guys read this! USA PRODUCTION OWNER reviews his new san dimas

[chmizell]

Very true there on the resale value....but I do want to say that the Pro Mod IS a quality instrument, not a Custom Shop? I get that, but with some work its the closest you can get without spending over $2000...and that defines quality to me. But now that i have talked so much smack, I will be searching for custom if I can snag it less than $1500...and provided I can sell my ESP Eclipse II

[Grandturk]

LOL!! You disagree with me yet you prove my point. You have what at least $400 in upgrades to you PRO MOD?!

Check around the site - better yet, here you go -

http://www.jcfonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=93888

http://www.jcfonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=93510

The only reason I modded the guitar was cosmetic - not for "tone."

BY the way regarding paint vs non paint there is a reason why Wayne owned Charvel he only offered RAW wood guitars.

That's not true at all - in fact on his website he states that he was the first guy to start doing "hot rod" paint jobs on guitars.

http://www.wayneguitars.com/history.html

Damn Mr Grandturk... Your mods look awesome!

And yeah, personally I'm getting pretty sick of people trashing the Pro Mods. Don't like them, don't buy them... But some people sound pretty arrogant with their negative opinions... And that's all they are. Opinions. Not "fact". Even the "facts", such as the supposed lack of quality with the Korean floyd, are just certain peoples opinions. Things like sound are subjective... I've heard plenty of high end "custom" guitars that sounded like ass to me, and many "cheap" guitars that sounded good.

Any guitar that inspires me to play more often is a valuable tool, and the Pro Mods I've played meet that criteria. If they don't meet someone elses, fine...They should just find a guitar that does.

Thanks bro - like I've said many times - I'm not an insane tonehound, and maybe that means my ears suck and I can't tell the difference - whatever. I just did the Korean to German conversion for looks - I actually tried to get a chrome Korean first, but couldn't. My Korean Floyd stayed in tune like gangbusters and would have no problem recommending it. Hey - the German one's great, too - but I think there's a reason why you can't buy the Korean ones brand new.

[voodoosound]

Check around the site - better yet, here you go -

http://www.jcfonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=93888

http://www.jcfonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=93510

The only reason I modded the guitar was cosmetic - not for "tone."



That's not true at all - in fact on his website he states that he was the first guy to start doing "hot rod" paint jobs on guitars.

http://www.wayneguitars.com/history.html

Thanks bro - like I've said many times - I'm not an insane tonehound, and maybe that means my ears suck and I can't tell the difference - whatever. I just did the Korean to German conversion for looks - I actually tried to get a chrome Korean first, but couldn't. My Korean Floyd stayed in tune like gangbusters and would have no problem recommending it. Hey - the German one's great, too - but I think there's a reason why you can't buy the Korean ones brand new.

LOL!! I don't get my info off the internet like 99.9% of the people on this forum. I get it straight from the source and also from being there time and place. I grew up in a little town called covina. Laminate Raw wood bodies were more or less invented by folks like Wayne, Lynn and Bernie. Like I said different school.

[bombtek]

Yeah ...well neither the Production model Charvels nor a Custom Shop Charvel can touch my shoreline gold Squier strat!!!!!






Mostly cuz I can't afford neither one of the Charvels and therefore they wouldn't be in the same room as my Squier....they will never touch .

[bombtek]

LOL!! I don't get my info off the internet like 99.9% of the people on this forum. I get it straight from the source and also from being there time and place. I grew up in a little town called covina. Laminate Raw wood bodies were more or less invented by folks like Wayne, Lynn and Bernie. Like I said different school.

And as much as you state that you don't try and come off as an arrogant person.

Truth is bud you sound like an arrogant dick in just about every one of your posts.

Go back and read them. If you can't see it, not only are you being an arrogant dick, you'd be an arrogant blind dick.

I grew up in a little town called Sandwich.

Makes me a know it all on glass I guess.

Like you said ...different school.

Dick.

Oh not only are you an arrogant (possibly blind...that has yet to be determined) dick, you yourself are just as guilty of making stupid assumptions as anyone else you accused earlier in this thread.

Your words exactly: " I don't get my info off the internet like 99.9% of the people on this forum."

Tell me that isn't a stupid assumption.

So to top it off, that makes you......ehhh nevermind.

Dick.

[85 San Dimas]

to the "attack anyone who insults the pro mods" crowd..

Same shit, different day. Someone says something bad about Pro Mods and the knives come out, along with the personal insults from the peanut gallery crowd that wouldn't know a Charvel if they actually held one, since of course they never have.

To those of you I'm not talking too. Peace. we can all disagree without this crap.

As for the review and reviewer. Nice work. I thought it was objective.
Bottom line, good guitar, and could be better. I agree with the post that said 850 looked about right. I'll add 50 bucks to that and say 900+ gig bag as a fair price. I wouldn't pay it ( I'd buy an old 80's used one instead for the same money), but I think its a fair price for that guitar in new condition. IMHO.

P.S.: love the part about the "quick" rolling of the necks and fret ends in one operation to save money.......that was fu**ing priceless.

[Grandturk]

to the "attack anyone who insults the pro mods" crowd..

I don't have a problem with people having different opinions about these guitars, but for the most part, there are a few criticisms about the ProMods that we hear repeatedly:

1. These aren't "real" Charvels and Fender is ruining the name of Charvel by putting these out there.

2. These are way overpriced at $1100. They should be more like $x.

3. I can't believe I was ripped off and they sold me a guitar with a Korean Floyd.

Now, if someone stood up and brought some decent criticism, then OK, I'd like to hear it - and have heard it - one had some neck pocket slop - another thinks that the Floyd should have been shimmed differently at the factory - some people don't like the knob.

But this constant whining about the price and the Korean Floyd has got to stop. Can't afford a $1000 for a guitar? Get off the internet and get another job. Miss your German Floyd? Grow up - God didn't chisel in the 10 Commandments - "Thou shalt have a German Floyd on a $1000 Charvel."

[Josh Jackson]

What did you use to buff the body and clean the floyd??

[bombtek]

to the "attack anyone who insults the pro mods" crowd..

Same shit, different day. Someone says something bad about Pro Mods and the knives come out, along with the personal insults from the peanut gallery crowd that wouldn't know a Charvel if they actually held one, since of course they never have.

To those of you I'm not talking too. Peace. we can all disagree without this crap.

As for the review and reviewer. Nice work. I thought it was objective.
Bottom line, good guitar, and could be better. I agree with the post that said 850 looked about right. I'll add 50 bucks to that and say 900+ gig bag as a fair price. I wouldn't pay it ( I'd buy an old 80's used one instead for the same money), but I think its a fair price for that guitar in new condition. IMHO.

P.S.: love the part about the "quick" rolling of the necks and fret ends in one operation to save money.......that was fu**ing priceless.

Just to be clear about my postings in this subject a little bit ago.

You're right, I wouldn't know a real San Dimas Charvel if I was holding it at all. I wouldn't know if the Production Model Charvels could be better. I'm sure that they could.

My personal insults were to voodoosound. Everything I said was directly to him not about the content of his postings, but rather the way in which the douchebag puts out his information/misinformation.

He says that he is person that just has a "very matter of fact type personality" and he does "not try to talk down to anyone", but the fact of the matter is that he DOES anytime someone disagrees with his point of view.

I might be wrong, but IMO the guy is a straight up arrogant dick. At first his postings seemed well informed, but as the thread went on and people (die hard new Charvel fans) disagreed with him, the guy got more and more condescending with each post.

I don't care one way or the other about the new Charvels. I don't own one, nor will I ever probably own one. I just don't like the guy and was posting my opinion on that.

[85 San Dimas]

I don't have a problem with people having different opinions about these guitars, but for the most part, there are a few criticisms about the ProMods that we hear repeatedly:

1. These aren't "real" Charvels and Fender is ruining the name of Charvel by putting these out there.

2. These are way overpriced at $1100. They should be more like $x.

3. I can't believe I was ripped off and they sold me a guitar with a Korean Floyd.

Now, if someone stood up and brought some decent criticism, then OK, I'd like to hear it - and have heard it - one had some neck pocket slop - another thinks that the Floyd should have been shimmed differently at the factory - some people don't like the knob.

But this constant whining about the price and the Korean Floyd has got to stop. Can't afford a $1000 for a guitar? Get off the internet and get another job. Miss your German Floyd? Grow up - God didn't chisel in the 10 Commandments - "Thou shalt have a German Floyd on a $1000 Charvel."

he may not have carved into stone but undeniably...

God played a real Floyd.

At lease until he got to FMIC...

I look at it like this... The "Gods" figured out what the best stuff was (for these kinds of guitars) over 25 years ago. Then they demanded and used it on their own best guitars. So, until someone comes up with better (sometimes they have) then its still the best stuff.

As for the rest of this post of yours I have no problem with it. I think all these criticisms are fair even though we may all be tired of them.

I also think the pointing out of the pro-Mods postive points are also fair.

For the first few pages I thought this was one of the better threads lately.

[shreddermon]

Dude, prove to us it's not a "real Floyd". What materials and grade of materials are the baseplate made of? The trem block? The saddles? And how do they compare to current Schaller-made OFR? Because until you do that, everything you state about it not being a "real Floyd" is utter bullshit, and internet know-it-all-wannabe nonsense.

Up until now, the only valid complaints that I've heard are some slightly wobbly trem arms and possibly (but not definitively) softer metal used for the locking screws on the saddles and nut.

Is it a German-made OFR? No, even I can tell the difference. Is it a very high-quality non-German OFR? Absolutely. It blows away all other "licensed by" Floyds, as far as I'm concerned. And comes pretty damn close to the Schaller-made trem. Also, from a quality and reliability stand-point, we won't truly know those answers until they've established a track record after years of use and abuse from gigging guitarists.

Until then, every whine you post about the Korean Floyd is just trolling nonsense. ...No, scratch that. You pretty much only seem to post about your dislike of the USA Production Charvels, including the trem. And that relentless one-subject posting focus makes you a troll. You may not have the same arrogant attitude as Voodoosound - which I'll give you credit for - but it's lame trolling nontheless.

troll: One who purposely and deliberately (that purpose usually being self-amusement) starts an argument in a manner which attacks others on a forum without in any way listening to the arguments proposed by his or her peers. He will spark of such an argument via the use of ad hominem attacks (i.e. 'you're nothing but a fanboy' is a popular phrase) with no substance or relevence to back them up as well as straw man arguments, which he uses to simply avoid addressing the essence of the issue.

Your relentless opinion is not "fact". Please get over that. Maybe then you'll understand the extent of your trolling. Surely there are other things on this board that interest you enough to post about those, too?

[Grandturk]

Dude, prove to us it's not a "real Floyd". What materials and grade of materials are the baseplate made of? The trem block? The saddles? And how do they compare to current Schaller-made OFR? Because until you do that, everything you state about it not being a "real Floyd" is utter bullshit, and internet know-it-all-wannabe nonsense.

Up until now, the only valid complaints that I've heard are some slightly wobbly trem arms and possibly (but not definitively) softer metal used for the locking screws on the saddles and nut.

Is it a German-made OFR? No, even I can tell the difference. Is it a very high-quality non-German OFR? Absolutely. It blows away all other "licensed by" Floyds, as far as I'm concerned. And comes pretty damn close to the Schaller-made trem. Also, from a quality and reliability stand-point, we won't truly know those answers until they've established a track record after years of use and abuse from gigging guitarists.

So who's got the spectroanalyzer (or whatever they measure metal contents with). Seriously - +1. The only thing we'll be able to see is durability over time, and, honestly, its not like German Floyds are bulletproof anyway - with one string install on my brand new Floyd, I busted a string lock block in half - and I've never done that before.

Unless someone's got a laboratory set up and will measure the effects of equal use on both trems - we'll never really know. All we have is anecdotal evidence (all my evidence is hearsay and circumstantial - those are kinds of evidence... ).

Maybe we can melt the trems down and see what they're made of - who's got a smelter?

[MakeAJazzNoiseHere]

Yeah, I think there is no denying the German Floyd Rose is superior in some ways. However this Korean unit is a pretty good unit. It's definitely not "junk."

So, on this subject... I'm very particular (in case you haven't noticed) and I wasn't very happy with my SD1's "out of the box" either, and I *did* choose to upgrade to a German Floyd Rose on both of mine, partially for a change in hardware color and partially because "it's better" and that's what I wanted to do... Make it better than it was stock.

With a little selective choice of pickups & hardware and a lot of elbow grease I made them my own, myself, and they're exactly what I wanted now, for about $1500 invested (plus my time) which is not bad at all, especially considering I could get some of that back by selling the Korean Floyd and the stock Duncans.

Is it as good as a Custom Shop that costs $3000? Hell, no. Didn't cost $3000, either, and as far as the "value compared to a Custom Shop" wasn't it said that these $2500 - $3000 guitars are going for $1500 - $2000 used? Hell, the only way I could lose $1500 on resale of my SD1 would be to give it away as a Christmas present.

[Newc]

How do you know you "upgraded" by getting the Schaller-made Floyd? Simply because you paid more for it than the Korean-made one? Because Korea has a bad track record? Because the bar is wobbly?

Ever stop to think that maybe the bar socket is the only corner that was cut (aside from labor costs) to make it less expensive than the Schaller?

Ever think that maybe Schaller is overpricing their wares and playing on the old "Germans make good shit" routine when in fact they are of equal quality?


So, until enough time has passed to give these OFRs the same opportunity to prove themselves, there is no such thing as "upgrading to a Schaller-made OFR", there's only "replaced with".

[Zaneus]

You make a good point. I do agree that these korean floyds need to be given a chance. So far they seem excellent, but none have stood the test of time yet. People know that the German Floyds last decades so they trust them more. So swapping an untested product for one that is proven to work is still an 'upgrade' in my eyes.

That said, i'll be keeping my korean OFR until it stops working. I dont see a point in swapping it out as long as it still works because the only difference so far is cosmetic.

As for the loose bar, my trem has that pretty bad, but you can replace the housing with a schaller made for less then $40 AUD at stew mac.