My Korean Floyd returns sharp?

[joelayres]

Set the Floyd to rest on the body and be "dive only" and the problem ends.

[Mr.Shreddy]

Thats what I did, or at least got it flush with the body. It seems to make the sustain better too.

[AndyK]

I actually have a Tremel-No that the guitar came with. It does keep the trem more in-tune when I use the "dive only" mode. That doesn't take away the fact that the trem is junky and not staying in tune without help!

[Foulacy]

listen, if you do a pull up and it goes sharp, and then immediately do a dive right after, it's going to sound FLAT compared to the pull up return when in fact it is IN TUNE.

no guitar can return to pitch 100% from a pull-up. All that matters is that it returns to pitch as close to 100% after a dive as possible. don't look into this more than is necessary.

secondly, i don't know if this is a case, but if you don't know how to set up a floyd rose in the first place a real OFR won't be any better.

[rjohnstone]

no guitar can return to pitch 100% from a pull-up.

I'll call on that statement.

I have 7 guitars that will disagree with that statement.

Any Floyded guitar, properly setup with strings stretched and no defects in the knife edges, posts, springs or lock nut, will return to proper pitch after any dive of pull up.

Sounds too me like the previous owner was adjusting the trem height by turning the posts while the Floyd was under full tension.
Fastest way to ruin the posts and/or knife edges. The Floyd cannot return to zero if there are flat spots on the knife edges or pivot points.

[JACKSONWOLF]

Bang on the money Rick, I see too many Floyded guitars come through our shop which have been adjusted under tension which, as you said, destroys the knife edges and posts in no time at all. Also, my guitars return 100% after a dive...if not, I replace the parts with working items.....problem solved.

Steve

[Foulacy]

I'll call on that statement.

I have 7 guitars that will disagree with that statement.

Any Floyded guitar, properly setup with strings stretched and no defects in the knife edges, posts, springs or lock nut, will return to proper pitch after any dive of pull up.

Sounds too me like the previous owner was adjusting the trem height by turning the posts while the Floyd was under full tension.
Fastest way to ruin the posts and/or knife edges. The Floyd cannot return to zero if there are flat spots on the knife edges or pivot points.

listen, it is extremely rare to find a guitar that returns to pitch perfectly from a pull-up. almost always things are slightly sharp. you, nor I, would ever notice, and after a few bends or a dive things are perfectly back in tune again. a dive and a pull-up are completely different mechanisms and I promise you your 7 guitars aren't returning perfectly to pitch after a pull-up. you can claim all you want but you would literally have to show me on a peterson strobe the before and after of a pull-up on your guitars.

the answers in this thread are ridiculous. some people are smart when they say "stretch" the strings. always start simple! if the OP doesn't know how to set up a floyd then lord knows what the problem could be and a real OFR wouldn't help! the first response was "warranty, return it!". and then others have said the studs or knives were bad. that's just going too far, too fast.

the only simple answer I can think of, that hasn't been mentioned, is that the springs aren't worn in. newer springs are stiff and tend to stay in the direction they were just pulled or pushed. this would make sense as he says it returns to pitch when diving only. advice: whammy like mad for a few days.

[Foulacy]

Bang on the money Rick, I see too many Floyded guitars come through our shop which have been adjusted under tension which, as you said, destroys the knife edges and posts in no time at all. Also, my guitars return 100% after a dive...if not, I replace the parts with working items.....problem solved.

Steve

he said return 100% from pull-up not dive.

[DHardmanJr]

I actually have a Tremel-No that the guitar came with.

I have two So Cals with these so-called Korean OFRs ... no problems at all with them returning to pitch after pull up or down. If you are saying that this guitar has a Tremol-No on it then I would look there first. Sounds like it might not be setup correctly. Those Tremol-Nos can cause pitch return problems if they aren't aligned or installed correctly. Check out the video on the Tremol-No site to see how it should be setup.

[joelayres]

no guitar can return to pitch 100% from a pull-up.

I have two Kahler'd guitars that will prove this statement incorrect.

[AndyK]

There are really some good answers / solutions on this thread. I have been setting up Floyds for 25 years now. I know most everything about them. Yet, I never knew you were not supposed to adjust the action height under tension! Question is, do you have to unwind the srings to near rubber bands, or do you tune down to C and then adjust the height?

I have an '85 Soloist with genuine Floyd. After 4 months in the case, I can pull it out, and it's still in-tune. Dive, pull up, still in tune. Checked with an electronic tuner too. It is possible to keep a Floyd in-tune after pulling up.

I like the suggestion that the springs might need breaking in. Makes sense. The Tremel-No was removed by me to see if that was hanging up the return of the Floyd. Still does it with No tremel-no. I have it adjusted according to the Youtube video.

If I (or the previous owner) ruined the knife edges or posts by cranking them under tension, I need a new Floyd and posts anyway, right?

[Foulacy]

I have two Kahler'd guitars that will prove this statement incorrect.

kahlers dont even return to pitch from bending a string, you have to do a small dive to get it back to pitch.

[Foulacy]

There are really some good answers / solutions on this thread. I have been setting up Floyds for 25 years now. I know most everything about them. Yet, I never knew you were not supposed to adjust the action height under tension! Question is, do you have to unwind the srings to near rubber bands, or do you tune down to C and then adjust the height?

I have an '85 Soloist with genuine Floyd. After 4 months in the case, I can pull it out, and it's still in-tune. Dive, pull up, still in tune. Checked with an electronic tuner too. It is possible to keep a Floyd in-tune after pulling up.

I like the suggestion that the springs might need breaking in. Makes sense. The Tremel-No was removed by me to see if that was hanging up the return of the Floyd. Still does it with No tremel-no. I have it adjusted according to the Youtube video.

If I (or the previous owner) ruined the knife edges or posts by cranking them under tension, I need a new Floyd and posts anyway, right?

people talk about not adjusting height under tension but it seriously is not a huge deal. it would take a lot a lot a lot of adjusting it to wear the knife edge out, especially on a real floyd. now the korean floyds are not made of the same metal, but a less than 1 year old guitar should not have any problems. you can try a few quick fixes, one is putting lube on the studs, that helps IMMENSELY when adjusting height under tension, the knife edges wont wear at all and it helps the guitar return to pitch very well. i recommend "big bends nut sauce". if you are lazy and dont care what lube you use, try some non-flavored chap stick.

the next thing you can try is to unlock the nut and do a full dive with the tremolo and let it come back up to pitch very lightly. tune with the headstock tuners and then lock the nut. doing the full dive before you tune helps A LOT with tuning stability.

finally, the tremol-no might be causing problems and you should just buy a new clamp and see if that fixes the problem.

[AndyK]

people talk about not adjusting height under tension but it seriously is not a huge deal. it would take a lot a lot a lot of adjusting it to wear the knife edge out, especially on a real floyd. now the korean floyds are not made of the same metal, but a less than 1 year old guitar should not have any problems. you can try a few quick fixes, one is putting lube on the studs, that helps IMMENSELY when adjusting height under tension, the knife edges wont wear at all and it helps the guitar return to pitch very well. i recommend "big bends nut sauce". if you are lazy and dont care what lube you use, try some non-flavored chap stick.

the next thing you can try is to unlock the nut and do a full dive with the tremolo and let it come back up to pitch very lightly. tune with the headstock tuners and then lock the nut. doing the full dive before you tune helps A LOT with tuning stability.

finally, the tremol-no might be causing problems and you should just buy a new clamp and see if that fixes the problem.

I think no matter what you do before locking the nut, as soon as you do clamp the strings down, they are locked and not going anywhere at the nut! Doing a dive with the nut unlocked unwinds the strings from the pegs, then pulls taught again. Helps stretch the strings at the peg area - but not a factor once the strings are locked at the nut.

I did remove the Tremel-no from the trem block and the guitar still goes out of tune. The Tremel-no claw is still in there, locked down and everything. Maybe the springs are the culprit? Not taught enough?

[joelayres]

kahlers dont even return to pitch from bending a string, you have to do a small dive to get it back to pitch.

Speak for your own Kahler dude.