What corners were cut on the production models

[Carbuff]

I can see the point that the trem might seem to be misrepresented. You could make the point that its FR's fault for making so many different models that look identical. But Charvel obviously knows the difference because they dont put these korean floyds on their CS guitars. Some people dont see any difference, some say its night and day, and some are just hung up on the point of the matter. What you can do is buy a "real" floyd and do what this guy does. http://cgi.ebay.com/USA-Floyd-Rose-O...3%3A1|294%3A50

Hes been selling these for around $150 for months. Of course he totally misrepresents the item as being USA made but I would think that most people would realize that no trems are made in the USA (maybe kahler?). So, basically for $50 you can have a good old "real" OFR or ROFR or GOFR for genuine on your new guitar. What I dont understand is how hes selling these for so much when you can get the same thing from guitarpartsdepot for $90. Just more people who dont do their homework, I guess.

[6string40]

Part of the problem too is that Floyd has allowed so many goddamned models to manufactured.

So, the OFR was made in Germany, but today it's not that same as it was made years ago. And then you have the Schaller version, still made in Germany, but different than the original. And then you have the Ping, which still is allowed to have the Floyd name without being "licensed by." And you have the Korean made, with the Floyd name without being "licensed by." Then you have all of the "licensed by Floyd" models made by God knows who in God knows where.

If the guitar manufacturer states that I'm getting a "Floyd Rose," I EXPECT that I'm getting a quality tremelo that Floyd believes is OF A CERTAIN STANDARD. I don't EXPECT that it is an OFR per say. The Korean Floyd apparently meets these standards. Yes, it is somewhat inferior to the OFR, but it is still a quality trem. Today's OFRs aren't the same quality as yesterday's OFRs either, so should I be pissed off at that as well?

I play regularly, but I'm by no means a professional. I own two guitars with Korean Floyds, one with a German OFR and one with a Ping. I honestly don't see huge differences between the three. The only thing I did with the Koreans was to add a brass big block to them, but I did that with the OFR too. All Floyds lack sustain...it's just something you expect due to the design of it. I also put Floyd trem stoppers on all of them to help stabilize tuning and add sustain. So whether I payed $120 for a Korean made, $150 for a Ping or $200 for an OFR, I still put an extra $40 in for a big block and $10 for a trem stopper on each of them.

There were several points I was trying to make in there...I don't know what the fuck they were anymore...but hopefully you guys can pick them out! LOL!

[Rupe]

Next time, do me a favor and don't quote me out of context - as per my Chevy example.

Not my intent...I didn't follow your analogy.

[Grandturk]

Eh, to me unless a bridge is advertised as an "Original Floyd Rose" (or OFR) it's not but I'm a bit more savvy than your average guitar buyer.

That being said, I agree that Charvel/FMIC could avoid all of this hullabaloo by calling it exactly what is.

I think the problem is that for 30 some odd years, if it said "Floyd Rose" it was made in Germany and anything else was licensed.

[Matt_B]

Eh, to me unless a bridge is advertised as an "Original Floyd Rose" (or OFR) it's not but I'm a bit more savvy than your average guitar buyer.

That being said, I agree that Charvel/FMIC could avoid all of this hullabaloo by calling it exactly what is.

[Grandturk]

I call partial bullshit on that. They do have "the right", no doubt, but there is an element of deception too as most guitarists have a preconceived notion of what a Floyd Rose trem is. The fact that they have chosen not to make any efforts to differentiate the German made version from the Korean version for the buying public is where the waters get muddied...an intentional outcome. Nothing wrong with that from a legal standpoint. Ethics on the other hand...

Next time, do me a favor and don't quote me out of context - as per my Chevy example.

[1b4n3z]

I'm with Rupe here. ESP does state the tremolos on the LTD lineup are Floyd Rose 1000 or Floyd Rose Special series. Originals are listed as Originals. Jackson also announces detailed specs. Charvel must know it's a complicated matter and such ambiguity gets annoying. It's a quite central part of a guitar.

[Rupe]

But it is a "Floyd Rose." It is a tremolo that is produced by the Floyd Rose company, or whoever owns them, and has the right to sell it as a Floyd Rose. There's no deception there

I call partial bullshit on that. They do have "the right", no doubt, but there is an element of deception too as most guitarists have a preconceived notion of what a Floyd Rose trem is. The fact that they have chosen not to make any efforts to differentiate the German made version from the Korean version for the buying public is where the waters get muddied...an intentional outcome. Nothing wrong with that from a legal standpoint. Ethics on the other hand...

[jet66]

The economy sucks right now, people are out of work and need money more than they need the guitar :think:

Definitely. I've seen people put up spam for guitars (custom shop orders and other 'respected' high-end pieces) before they even take possession of them.

And, I think some people expect something else from the Charvels; a super thin 'shred' neck. It's definitely a little meatier than that.

[Dogbone]

Dude is just not going to give it up on the Floyd Wonder if he has even played the guitar for more than 5 minutes before passing off Judgment??

He talks about seeing lot's of Pro Mods on ebay... I watch ebay everyday, and yeah I see a few here and there that aren't from the Stores, but I wonder if he ever thought, maybe people are selling them so they can buy the newest color :think: The economy sucks right now, people are out of work and need money more than they need the guitar :think:

I actually hope he does buy a German Floyd (if he's buying from Ed, he may get what he thinks is a German Floyd, but it could be worse than what he has already )... I'd like to hear the end result... But I'm sure I already know his answer

[Matt_B]

But it is a "Floyd Rose." It is a tremolo that is produced by the Floyd Rose company, or whoever owns them, and has the right to sell it as a Floyd Rose.

As I said, it is a "Floyd Rose" but it is not an "Original Floyd Rose" because it's not made of the same materials or to the same spec.

[jet66]

Oh, and a follow-up video, much more composed. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHlsO...e=channel_page

[jet66]

He talks about 'traditional' a lot in that video... Wouldn't that be a brass V-trem, or a Kahler, before it would be a Floyd?

Definitely sounds way more upset than necessary, IMO.

[Grandturk]

But it is a "Floyd Rose." It is a tremolo that is produced by the Floyd Rose company, or whoever owns them, and has the right to sell it as a Floyd Rose. There's no deception there - but it is like Chevy Selling a Camaro and a Corvette without putting the model name on it - "You can have the $80,000 Chevy or the $30,000 Chevy - which one you want?"

[Rupe]

Charvel may not state that it's an original Floyd, but they certainly don't do anything to make it clear that it's not...quite the contrary. It's all Marketing 101...creating perception, and they've done a good job of that.

These are what they are. Do your homework before buying and make an informed decision. If you like them, great, if not, move along to something else.